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Darwin put to flight in Bible Belt [Evolution vs. Creationism]
Times of London ^ | 30 January 2005 | Sarah Baxter

Posted on 01/29/2005 6:54:41 PM PST by PatrickHenry

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To: DannyTN

"Don't teach any of them, including evolution, in the public schools to elementary kids."

Agreed, as long as the Christian version of creation is also not taught.

Let the parents and the churches instill their chosen 'creation' belief system into the child(ren).


41 posted on 01/29/2005 7:56:44 PM PST by NCPAC ("I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism." - Ronald Reagan)
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To: DixieOklahoma

You have a nice day too. I am comfortable in my mere dust final exit. I accept it. That ultimate final end does not cause me a moment on this mortal coil of anguish. And so it goes.


42 posted on 01/29/2005 7:57:19 PM PST by Torie
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To: Long Cut
My stomach is turning just thinking about it. We've got so many opportunities this Presidential term, and these people will just pi$$ it away.

Fortunately, right now Box and her Chappaquiddick KKK buddies are getting the attention.

43 posted on 01/29/2005 7:57:52 PM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: PatrickHenry

Darwinists comprise the current Flat Earth Society.


44 posted on 01/29/2005 7:57:52 PM PST by Gritty ("Proclaim liberty throughout the land to all its inhabitants"-Lev. 25:10 [Liberty Bell inscription])
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To: PatrickHenry
I just have to say as a Biologist and a person raised Catholic.

The story of Adam and Eve in the garden could easily be construed as evolution of the species.

They start out naked and just living in innocence. This sounds alike what it would be like to be an animal. They are described as being in keeping with nature. This again sounds like animals.

Then they gain what sounds like self awareness and become self absorbed and out of tune with nature. Then the intrigue that characterizes such a smart species starts and continues.

Wouldn't God have to talk down to humans? Think he would bother to explain through prophets or his son the way that things work or how they were done.

The bible is full of wisdom and truth but how can people be so arrogant as to think that God would explain everything and that the depth of his knowledge is in that little book.

We are supposed to be in his image and our self awareness and intellect are the parts of us that the Bible and the teachings of Jesus are geared toward.

I would think we are supposed to use them. True science is done out of a love for the universe and creation. It can't be a bad thing.

Evolutionary theory is not complete but it is quite an elementary and elegant theory that is hard to discount.
45 posted on 01/29/2005 7:58:33 PM PST by demecleze
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To: PatrickHenry

Hey, Patrick, wishing you all the best. Maybe we will see eye to eye someday, before it's too late...
Guitarist


46 posted on 01/29/2005 8:00:28 PM PST by guitarist
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To: WildTurkey
Oh, that won't last too long. Those freaks are nuts, but they're also shrewd. They'll pick up on this eventually; it's the nature of politics for one side to exploit the other's weakness.

And all so some hucksters can make some easy dough on videos.

47 posted on 01/29/2005 8:00:46 PM PST by Long Cut (The Constitution...the NATOPS of America!)
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To: rmmcdaniell
http://www.creationscience.com/onlinebook/

For those who may have been indoctrinated by evolution theory, (and how would one know?), you can read on-line for free. The guy has three PH D's and taught at the Air Force War College. Take a look.
48 posted on 01/29/2005 8:03:58 PM PST by captain anode
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To: Long Cut
And all so some hucksters can make some easy dough on videos.

You got that right.

49 posted on 01/29/2005 8:04:55 PM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: DixieOklahoma
"did you not read? 55% of all americans don't even believe in evolution. LINK IT TO THE REPUBLICANS THEN! "

Exactly. The Evo's have exactly the same reaction that any other special interest group has. They assume and act like anything bad for their cause is bad for the republicans, when they are the minority and the exact opposite is true.

50 posted on 01/29/2005 8:05:02 PM PST by DannyTN
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To: PatrickHenry

“I’ve dug up shark teeth that go back 67m years to the Cretaceous period when the sea spread from Texas all the way to Canada,” he said proudly. “I’ve seen mammoth teeth, camel teeth and large arrowheads belonging to early man. It would be pretty hard to explain that in the Bible.”

And...how does he know that the shark teeth are 67m years old? Answer: he has no idea how old they are.


51 posted on 01/29/2005 8:05:26 PM PST by DennisR (Look around - there are countless observable clues that God exists)
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To: rmmcdaniell
So then it must be despicable to teach children about god before they are old enough to choose their faith themselves.

No. The parents have the responsibility to oversee the education of their child. If the teaching is in accordance with the parents wishes, then it's fine.

But there is absolutely no justification to use public schools and public funds to push evolution to elementary kids when the majority of American's do not believe in evolution and do not want their kids taught that.

52 posted on 01/29/2005 8:09:17 PM PST by DannyTN
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To: DannyTN; All
"Don't teach any of them, including evolution, in the public schools to elementary kids. "

And you once again equate a scientific theory, backed up by multiple, independant lines of evidence, and 150+ years of research and study which all reputable biologists consider to be sound with religious mythology, even to the point of banning ALL of the above because you can't handle reality.

And while you're at it, you'll make the conservative movement and the Republican party look like complete fools.

Let's not be coy, here...if you actually got the TOE removed from schools, you'd then be screaming to add ID/creationism to replace it shortly after.

And thus, the current slide of American students in math and sciences would accelerate apace.

Wonderful. You hurt not only conservatism, but the Republican party and ultimately the country, just to have your religious beliefs taught as fact.

53 posted on 01/29/2005 8:10:01 PM PST by Long Cut (The Constitution...the NATOPS of America!)
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To: PatrickHenry

"Theocons." Now I'll have to add, "But I'm NOT an idiot" when I tell people I'm a Republican.


54 posted on 01/29/2005 8:11:16 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: VadeRetro

I bet that Karl Rove cringes and reaches for the Glenfiddich when he reads stuff like this. Especially since it's promoted by a group of voters he considers pretty unreliable.


55 posted on 01/29/2005 8:15:10 PM PST by Long Cut (The Constitution...the NATOPS of America!)
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To: demecleze
Evolutionary theory is not complete but it is quite an elementary and elegant theory that is hard to discount.

And as Theodosius Dobzhansky said, nothing in biology makes sense without it.

It was in his famous essay, Nothing in Biology Makes Sense Except in the Light of Evolution that he wrote:

One of the great thinkers of our age, Pierre Teilhard de Chardin, wrote the following: "Is evolution a theory, a system, or a hypothesis? It is much more, it is a general postulate to which all theories, all hypotheses, all systems much henceforward bow and which they must satisfy in order to be thinkable and true. Evolution is a light which illuminates all facts, a trajectory which all lines of thought must follow, this is what evolution is." Of course, some scientists, as well as some philosophers and theologians, disagree with some parts of Teilhard’s teachings; the acceptance of his worldview falls short of universal. But there is no doubt at all that Teilhard was a truly and deeply religious man and that Christianity was the cornerstone of his worldview. Moreover, in his worldview science and faith were not segregated in watertight compartments, as they are with so many people. They were harmoniously fitting parts of his worldview. Teilhard was a creationist, but one who understood that the Creation is realized in this world by means of evolution.

56 posted on 01/29/2005 8:16:12 PM PST by freespirited
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To: PatrickHenry
“On the issue of evolution, the verdict is still out on how God created the Earth,...”

So Bush thinks evolutionary theory is about planetary cosmology?

57 posted on 01/29/2005 8:16:32 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: captain anode
For those who may have been indoctrinated by evolution theory, (and how would one know?), you can read on-line for free. The guy has three PH D's and taught at the Air Force War College. Take a look.

I'm convinced. Anyone that can look at one photo and determine that the mammoths went extinct because he had a flat penis is OK in my book! He then shows a photo of a baby mammoth. Er, wait a minute ... Mammoths couldn't reproduce because he had a flat penis ....

58 posted on 01/29/2005 8:17:13 PM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: Long Cut

Students coming out of private schools that teach both evoltuion and creation/ID, don't lag behind students out of schools that teach just evolution. So it's not that it's so bad for kids to learn how evolution tries to explain everything and also what the major areas are in which some people doubt evolution is true. It turns out this whole thing is a power grab. But, as Patrick Henry said above, if we have private and home schools, these problems will work themselves out. After all, some private schools teach only evolution and some teach ideas besides evolution, and the sky is not falling...


59 posted on 01/29/2005 8:18:20 PM PST by guitarist
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To: freespirited
The risk is that from there, the GOP would be vulnerable to being portrayed as some kind of flat earth society.

I've been hearing this for years. Perhaps those saying so were only prescient.

60 posted on 01/29/2005 8:19:10 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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