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Mexican, U.S. Officials Reconcile Concerns About Border Violence
The Associated Press ^ | Jan 29, 2005

Posted on 01/29/2005 4:04:42 PM PST by Brian Mosely

MEXICO CITY (AP) - The United States and Mexico sought to defuse their spat over a U.S. alert about drug-gang violence along the border, issuing a joint statement Saturday in which Washington said its announcement was not meant to keep Americans from traveling south of the border.

Foreign Secretary Luis Ernesto Derbez and U.S. Ambassador Tony Garza met over breakfast, the joint statement said, to review actions taken by the Mexican government to combat organized crime in northern Mexico, where a surge in killings and kidnappings has been linked to battles between drug gangs.

Garza, the statement said, insisted that the State Department announcement did not recommend that Americans avoid traveling to Mexico, but only that they take precautions in specific areas,

President Vicente Fox intervened in the diplomatic flap on Friday, saying violence near the border did not threaten the two nations' strong relationship.

The State Department issued the travel alert last week, telling Americans that violent crime, including murder and kidnapping, had increased along the Mexican side of the border. Mexican officials said the alert was an exaggeration.

The State Department alert was accompanied by a letter from Garza saying that the lack of security near the U.S. border could have a "chilling" effect on trade and tourism.

On Saturday, Garza said his letter was intended to give "fuller context" and "highlight the fact that the wave of border violence is a result of the successful efforts of President Fox's administration in the fight against organized crime." He said Mexico had increased federal law enforcement operations in the border region with support from the Mexican Army in its effort to combat organized crime.

Garza, nevertheless, restated deep U.S. concern for the safety of American citizens in the border region.

"Both officials noted that their governments recognize that drug trafficking and associated crime do not recognize any borders," according to the joint statement.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Mexico; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: mexico; wod; wot
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To: stopem

27 Americans just don't have much power when it comes to the oligarchs of Mexico. And just as Mexico has done nothing at all to stop the murders of women and young girls in Ciudad Juarez, it will not do anything to stop the kidnappings of Americans. The drug cartels hold too much power over that government with their huge mordidas.


21 posted on 01/29/2005 4:45:35 PM PST by FITZ
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To: L.N. Smithee

I really think you are onto the truth about this. At least close. Why on earth would we cave into Fox every single time. What goes on with Mexico is beyond belief. Such a trashy third-world country, yet dragging America around by the nose.


22 posted on 01/29/2005 4:50:54 PM PST by sangoo
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To: bikepacker67; mindspy; mysto; holyscroller; ozarkgirl; Outland; Rick Deckard; ZeitgeistSurfer; ...
DUMPING CONSERVATIVES AT THE BORDER

23 posted on 01/29/2005 4:51:23 PM PST by Happy2BMe ("Islam fears democracy worse than anything If the imams can't control it - they will kill it.)
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To: FITZ

i gotta kick out of the local paper here.

a caption underneath el presidente fox's picture said that he didn't want any interference in mexican affairs!

this, from the guy that's always interfering in ours!


24 posted on 01/29/2005 4:52:10 PM PST by ken21 (nuf 2 make u wanna puke)
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To: ken21

Take a look at that laredomissing link --- imagine that we cannot warn women to stay out of Mexico even to save their lives because the corrupt Mexican government has said we cannot.

It was only a warning --- and we had to back down from that. Absurd. I wonder how Bush would like Barbara and Jenna being abducted over the border and likely suffering the fate of so many other women along the border inside Mexico.


25 posted on 01/29/2005 4:54:26 PM PST by FITZ
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To: L.N. Smithee

Well, Fox must have SOMETHING. The Bush pandering to Fox and the illegals is appalling and considering the way the American public feels about the illegals for Bush to totally ignore us it must be a beaut.


26 posted on 01/29/2005 4:55:41 PM PST by ImpotentRage
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To: Brian Mosely

I think Tony Garza may be the fall guy in all of this. IIRC, he put out the first notice September 2004. This was mainly in regards to the Reynosa police robbing Americans at ATMs. The notice in essence told Americans not to take debit cards, credit cards or much cash to Mexico. As the crime in Mexico escalated this fall, Garza put out more notices even referring to the killings.

This week the State Department put out a notice. This notice is the one that really got the Mexican officials in a snit.

I wonder why Condi Rice is silent on this especially since 2 FBI agents have been threatened within the last 24 hours.


27 posted on 01/29/2005 5:13:02 PM PST by texastoo (a "has-been" Republican)
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To: FITZ

there's a psychopathology taking control of mexico.

unlike many countries around the world, mexico is NOT moving forward in a constructive manner.


28 posted on 01/29/2005 5:13:42 PM PST by ken21 (nuf 2 make u wanna puke)
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To: FITZ

This is flat out surreal. I am really and truly speechless at this moment. It would take a fist full of Vicodin and a bottle of cheap mezcal to make me even begin to imagine this spineless development.

Our government just rolled over faster than a two dollar whore at the sight of a ten spot.


29 posted on 01/29/2005 5:14:17 PM PST by JackelopeBreeder (Proud to be a mean-spirited and divisive loco gringo armed terrorist vigilante cucaracha!)
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To: texastoo

What would you want her to say? She can't oppose presidential policy.


30 posted on 01/29/2005 5:15:59 PM PST by e p1uribus unum
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To: John Jorsett; EdReform; Thinkin' Gal; mrflashrifle; dennisw; SJackson; MeekOneGOP; TrueBeliever9; ..
Somebody got caught telling the truth about the border and was taken to the woodshed. Tsk tsk. Embarrass our Mexican "friends" at your per

This is unreal.

Fox News did a documentary interviewing a Border Patrol man and his wife (last year), who live in a trailer right on this side of the fence.  They are BEGGING for our government to send help down to them, ANY kind of help.  Even if is our  National Guards.

Night after night, the Border patrol and his wife wearing night goggles take pictures for proof.  Thousands are coming across in hordes.  And that IS night after night. Fox News even showed the video tapes that the Border and his wife have been  taking of these people jumping the fence and running.

The Fox Newsman (I forget his name.  He has the gray hair, is tall, thin with a long thin face), spent the night with this couple, also using night goggles to watch for himself.

The next morning, they walked about the yard.  She said that they are NOT all Mexican's.  That they have found the books of the Koran and prayer rugs dropped in haste as the people jumped the fence and ran on into our Country.

She showed the rugs and the books to the Fox Newsman.  It was horrifying. 

What with all the Mosque's in our Country, what better shelter for the terrorists to find shelter?  They are here, people.  Scattered all over the United States.

Here is an updated map of where all the Mosque's are.  Look and weep for our Country.

 

31 posted on 01/29/2005 5:20:38 PM PST by SheLion (God bless our military members and keep them safe.)
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To: e p1uribus unum

LOL. "She can't oppose presidential policy."


32 posted on 01/29/2005 5:22:02 PM PST by texastoo (a "has-been" Republican)
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To: JackelopeBreeder

Until I saw the pictures on the laredomissing site --- I figured it was just like the Mexican government always claims of it's own dead and missing woman --- just prostitutes and girlfriends of drug king pins --- thats what they always say --- and you figure it's just some streetwalker or drug buyer who was in the wrong place at the wrong time --- until you see the pictures.


33 posted on 01/29/2005 5:22:52 PM PST by FITZ
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To: SheLion

Your map is out dated. There is also a mosque in Mission, Texas.


34 posted on 01/29/2005 5:25:43 PM PST by texastoo (a "has-been" Republican)
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To: ken21

Many here say the murderers of Juarez women are most likely the sons of the powerful families of Juarez, and that's why that government has done everything it could not to have those murders solved.

Same for the kidnapped US citizens of Laredo --- some might have been involved in crime, working for a targetted cartel --- but likely some are just innocents.


35 posted on 01/29/2005 5:26:14 PM PST by FITZ
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To: SheLion
Member of Al Qaida Linked Group Caught on US-Mexico Border

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Everything You Ever Wanted In An Islamic Terrorist - Courteousy Of The Mexican Border

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Illegals from terrorist nations crossing border into Arizona.

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" Here's what the Eyewitness News 4 Investigators uncovered. "It's a Muslim prayer blanket. It was found about a mile and a half west from the Douglas port of entry in 2001." Vance says, "Other log books, diary-type things, other bits and pieces of paper with Arabic written on them found in the area over the last few years. They pay to learn Spanish language skills, and by the time they reach the U.S., they're acting and talking like Mexicans to fool border agents."

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Al Qaeda seeks tie to local Mexican gangs in the United States

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MIDDLE-EASTERN INVADERS CAUGHT CROSSING FROM MEXICO IN COCHISE COUNTY IN PAST SIX WEEKS

Woman With Possible Terror Ties Arrested (smuggled thru our southern boarder)

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Congressman: Al Qaeda entering southern border and changing names to Mexican surnames

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Arab terrorists 'are getting into the US over Mexican border

AL-QAIDA Suspect Arrested in Texas
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What Is In This MRE, Sarge?
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Officials Fear Terrorists Could Try to Enter U.S. Through Mexico

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Tue Apr 20, 8:09 AM ET
Reuters

Jermaine Jackson(L), brother of Michael Jackson, Jackson family spokesman Firpo W. Carr(C) and Khawaja Khurshid Reshi hold a rug with a woven picture of Michael Jackson April 19, 2004, in Manama. Jermaine Jackson, in the Gulf to promote understanding between Muslims and his fellow Americans, said Tuesday that Muslims are 'the new Negroes in America.' Jermaine, a convert to Islam and dressed in white Arab garb, has been speaking about Islam and U.S. 'adventures' in Iraq to enthusiastic audiences at Koranic centers and universities in the Gulf Arab state of Bahrain. (Hamad I Mohammed/Reuters)

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FROM THE KORAN ITSELF...
"HEIL HITLER" Now Upgraded to "ALLAH AKBAR?"

You may already know about this one: O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. [al-Ma'idah 5:51.11]

But did you know that there are 123 verses in the Quran concerning fighting and killing for the cause of Allah? Here are but a few passages:

-Muslims are encouraged to be wholly occupied (Sura 2:273) with fighting for Allah's cause.

- Allah will give "a far richer recompense to those who fight for him" (Sura 4:96).

- Regarding infidels (unbelievers), they are the Muslim's "inveterate enemies" (Sura 4:101). Muslims are to "arrest them, besiege them and lie in ambush everywhere" (Sura 9:5) for them. They are to "seize them and put them to death wherever you find them, kill them wherever you find them, seek out the enemies of Islam relentlessly" (Sura 4:90). "Fight them until Islam reigns supreme" (Sura 2:193). "Cut off their heads, and cut off the tips of their fingers" (Sura 8:12).

- If a Muslim does not go to war, Allah will kill him (Sura 9:39). He is to be told, "the heat of war is fierce, but more fierce is the heat of Hell-fire" (Sura 9:81).

- A Muslim must "fight for the cause of Allah with the devotion due to him" (Sura 22:78)

- Muslims must make war on the infidels (unbelievers) who live around them (Sura 9:123).

- Muslims are to be "ruthless to unbelievers" (Sura 48:29).

- A Muslim should "enjoy the good things" he has gained by fighting (Sura 8:69).

- A Muslim can kill any person he wishes if it be a "just cause" (Sura 6:152).

- Allah loves those who "fight for his cause" (Sura 61:3).
Anyone who fights against Allah or renounces Islam in favor of another religion shall be "put to death or crucified or have their hands and feet cut off alternative sides" (Sura 5:34).

- Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him. Sahih Al-Bukhari (9:57)

- Slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush. (Koran 9:5)

- Take him and fetter him and expose him to hell fire. (Koran 69:30-37)

- I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, Smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger tips of them. (Koran 8:12)

- They should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides. (Koran 5:33)

- Know that paradise is under the shades of swords. Sahih al-Bukhari Vol 4 p55

And Speaking of Paradise...

"There will be "gushing fountains" and everyone "shall recline on jeweled couches face to face, and there shall wait on them immortal youths with bowls and ewers and a cup of purest wine." Suras (or chapters) 55 and 56 of the Quran.

"Therein are bashful virgins whom neither man nor jinnee will have touched before ... virgins as fair as corals and rubies," sura 55. A few lines later, you might remind them of "virgins chaste and fair ... they shall recline on green cushions and fine carpets."

"The smallest reward for the people of Paradise is an abode where there are 80,000 servants and 72 wives, over which stands a dome decorated with pearls, aquamarine, and ruby, as wide as the distance from Al-Jabiyyah [a Damascus suburb] to Sana'a.'"

It will be the day, God willing, you spend with the women of paradise...Know that the gardens of paradise are waiting for you in all their beauty, and the women of paradise are waiting, calling out, "Come hither, friend of God."

For much more on "PARADISE... A Better World?" click HERE

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Urgent Terrorism Threat on Our Southern Border ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Why Alien Criminals Are At Large in the U.S.?

by Frosty Woolridge
September 17, 2004

"From October 1, 2003 to July 20, 2004, the border patrol’s Tucson sector stopped 9,051 person crossing illegal who had criminal records in the U.S., meaning they committed crimes here, returned to Mexico, then were trying to re-enter the country," Time magazine wrote. "A minimum of 378 had active warrants for their arrest."

Most go undetected.

"The numbers suggest that tens of thousands of criminals, quite possibly hundreds of thousands, treat the border as a revolving door to crimes of opportunity," Steele wrote. "The situation is so out of control that 400,000 illegal aliens who have been ordered deported, 80,000 have criminal records, but Homeland Security does not have a clue as to the whereabouts of any of them, including those from countries that support terrorism."...

Of 114 Iranians with final orders for removal, only 11 could be found and deported. Of 67 Sudanese with final removal orders, only one was deported. Of 46 Iraqis, only four were deported. The rest are free to move about the country.

Not mentioned in the report was the 20,000 member "18th Street Gang" made up of 60% illegal aliens in Los Angeles. It distributes drugs from Mexico, commits robberies daily, extorts businesses and engages in drive-by shootings. Along with them, the 8,000 member MS 13 Central American gangs operate in 28 cities. If anyone wonders why drugs are SO available to our kids, thank our Congress for not fulfilling its oath of office. Even more sobering, these alien criminals are protected in hundreds of cities across the United States by "Special Order 40" that allows them to remain in country without fear of arrest or deportation.

"Both parties and their candidates pay lip service to controlling the borders," Barlett wrote. "In the 99/11 commission’s final report, the panel took note of the immigration breakdown saying, "'Two systemic weaknesses came together in our border system's inability to contribute to an effective defense against 9/11 attacks: a lack of well developed counterterrorism measures as a part of border security and an immigration system not able to deliver on its basic commitments, much less support counterterrorism.'"

The TIME report rendered severe implications toward President Bush and members of Congress on both sides of the corridor. Citizens of the United States were not being served before 9/11 and today, they are JUST as vulnerable as 4,000 illegal aliens cross our borders daily. You have to wonder when Beslan, Russia's tragedy will visit an American school in the near future?

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Are American Arabs loyal?

36 posted on 01/29/2005 5:33:01 PM PST by Happy2BMe ("Islam fears democracy worse than anything If the imams can't control it - they will kill it.)
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To: texastoo
Your map is out dated. There is also a mosque in Mission, Texas.

Then more Mosque's are still moving in then. I have been using the map, published in 2002 from Steve Emerson:

Then, just this week, the updated map appeared. As you can see, a lot more have sprung up in just the 2.5 years.

To me, this is frightening.

37 posted on 01/29/2005 5:35:05 PM PST by SheLion (God bless our military members and keep them safe.)
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To: Happy2BMe

Read my post #31.


38 posted on 01/29/2005 5:37:20 PM PST by SheLion (God bless our military members and keep them safe.)
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To: ken21
unlike many countries around the world, mexico is NOT moving forward in a constructive manner.

Unfortunately, Mexico seems to be stuck in the 19th century.

39 posted on 01/29/2005 5:38:47 PM PST by judgeandjury
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To: SheLion

I did.


40 posted on 01/29/2005 5:42:29 PM PST by Happy2BMe ("Islam fears democracy worse than anything If the imams can't control it - they will kill it.)
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