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Senator Susan Collins, was Secretary of Defense Don Rumsfeld pointing a finger at her?
Christian news in maine.com ^ | 29 January, 2005 | Christian News in maine Staff

Posted on 01/29/2005 6:52:09 AM PST by newsgatherer

Not long ago, a young soldier in Iraq asked Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld a question. His question dealt with what is called up-armoring of HumVees. Much has come out since then about the up-armoring of HumVees used in both Iraq and Afghanistan, not the least of which is that over 85% of all HumVees used in both theatres of operations had been up-armored at the time of the question.

What got our attention was not the question, but Secretary Rumsfeld’s answer. He replied to the soldier by saying "… You go war with the Army you have, not the Army you would like to have." That got us thinking and asking questions about what kind of Military President Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney and Secretary of Defense Don Rumsfeld inherited from the impeached, disgraced, adulterous Clinton administration.

The more we looked at Secretary Rumsfeld answer, the less enchanted we became with Maine’s two senators Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins. Snowe has never portrayed herself as anything but a liberal, she has never tried to pass herself off as pro-life, pro-Christ, pro-Republic, pro-tax cuts or anything else that even comes close to sounding Conservative. But, Senator Susan Collins has. So we went looking to see if when Secretary Rumsfeld said: "… You go war with the Army you have, not the Army you would like to have." he was referring to the likes of Kerry, Kennedy, Biden, Snowe, McCain and Boxer, but not Senator Susan Collins.

What we found was that Susan Collins, by her voting and speaking record in the Senate from January of 1997, when she took office, till February of 2001 when the Clinton regime was replaced with the Administration of President Bush, never once voted...

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It appears as if Olympia Snwoe will not be running for re-election again, but Collins is a problem.
1 posted on 01/29/2005 6:52:10 AM PST by newsgatherer
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To: newsgatherer; SheLion

So oly the witchy woman is not going to run, what happened, so wants to stay in DC instead of going back to Bangor?


2 posted on 01/29/2005 7:00:21 AM PST by dts32041 (When did the Democratic party stop being the political arm of the KKK?)
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The Enemy is now Within...
and always has been.


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4 posted on 01/29/2005 7:03:16 AM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: newsgatherer
I see Rumsfeld is still misquoted about the staged exchange in Kuwait with Spc. Wilson. Perhaps knowing Rumsfeld's entire response will provide perspective.

I talked to the General coming out here about the pace at which the vehicles are being armored. They have been brought from all over the world, wherever they’re not needed, to a place here where they are needed. I’m told that they are being – the Army is – I think it’s something like 400 a month are being done. And it’s essentially a matter of physics. It isn’t a matter of money. It isn’t a matter on the part of the Army of desire. It’s a matter of production and capability of doing it.

As you know, you go to war with the Army you have. They’re not the Army you might want or wish to have at a later time. Since the Iraq conflict began, the Army has been pressing ahead to produce the armor necessary at a rate that they believe – it’s a greatly expanded rate from what existed previously, but a rate that they believe is the rate that is all that can be accomplished at this moment.

I can assure you that General Schoomaker and the leadership in the Army and certainly General Whitcomb are sensitive to the fact that not every vehicle has the degree of armor that would be desirable for it to have, but that they’re working at it at a good clip. It’s interesting, I’ve talked a great deal about this with a team of people who’ve been working on it hard at the Pentagon. And if you think about it, you can have all the armor in the world on a tank and a tank can be blown up. And you can have an up-armored humvee and it can be blown up. And you can go down and, the vehicle, the goal we have is to have as many of those vehicles as is humanly possible with the appropriate level of armor available for the troops. And that is what the Army has been working on.

5 posted on 01/29/2005 7:14:15 AM PST by MosesKnows
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To: newsgatherer
Maine is like a Little California under a Gray Davis.

With 300,000+ people on some kind of government assistance in a population of 1.2 million, the Dems seems to have gained a lock on the election process, especially in the populous southern part of the state.

Tom Allen is a write-off, useless in every respect, except as a loyal soldier for the far left.

Michaud's "moderate" stance is just taking up a house seat tye the 'pubs should have.

Governor Baldaccci, who is in fact pretty far to the left, has been carefully protecting his "centrist, working man" image - which holds up until you look at what he has done. He is in fact only a beard for Betsy Smith and the rest of the radical libs and fems who took over the statehouse during King's tenure. His strong popular support shows the strength of the democratic machine in Maine.

The Maine Republican party, in contrast, has been extremely weak, I think they lost the tax-reform initiative that was handed to them on a silver platter, and they have not been sufficiently tough and organized enough to recognize the opportunity after opportunity the 'rats have given them.

As such, I worry about losing even our RINOs to a democratic Senate candidate. And I think if you look at the ferment of radical left in the Portland/Lewiston/Augusta triangle, you can see some viable candidate for US Senate that are pretty far out there.
6 posted on 01/29/2005 7:14:51 AM PST by Fido969
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To: Fido969

I am getting the hell out of this state prior to its economic and moral collapse.


7 posted on 01/29/2005 7:32:02 AM PST by cp124 (The Great Wall Mart)
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To: newsgatherer; dts32041
It appears as if Olympia Snwoe will not be running for re-election again

She has said she intends to run for reelection. What information do you have to the contrary?

8 posted on 01/29/2005 7:32:04 AM PST by JohnnyZ ("Thought I was having trouble with my adding. It's all right now." - Clint Eastwood)
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To: Baynative

They get our New England and we get their Western provinces...now there is a trade...


9 posted on 01/29/2005 7:44:56 AM PST by MarkT
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To: Baynative

Hey, don't forget Jeffords.


10 posted on 01/29/2005 7:45:43 AM PST by OldFriend (America's glory is not dominion, but liberty.)
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To: OldFriend

As long as we get to keep Judd Gregg and John Sununu III...


11 posted on 01/29/2005 7:49:29 AM PST by txrangerette
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To: OldFriend
Hey, don't forget Jeffords.

Why not?

12 posted on 01/29/2005 7:51:07 AM PST by pageonetoo (I could name them, but you'll spot their posts soon enough.)
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To: JohnnyZ

Sorry, Can't comment on it quite yet.


13 posted on 01/29/2005 7:51:49 AM PST by newsgatherer
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We, here at Christian-news-in-maine.com are convinced that the words spoken by and the votes cast by Snowe, Collins, Biden, Kennedy, Boxer, Kerry and others has, not may have cost, but have cost countless US Lives. They are, in our opinion, just as positively guilty of treason as is John Baldacci a liar when he complains about the No Child left behind act that he, as the congressman from the Second District of Maine VOTED FOR.

We, here at CNIM, look at our job, as an outreach of a church, as one of keeping Christians, Born Again Christians, aware so that they can cast their vote, not out of party loyalty but out of a position of knowing the candidates by their actions as well as their words or lack of them.

Of the four who make up Maine’s Congressional delegation, at this time, the only one we can say anything positive about is the Mike Michaud. But, I must add this, because Born Again Christians are seen as such a small quite minority here in Maine, even Michaud doesn’t send us info, without our twisting his minions arms. So, we use sources who have been around since the old days of Article Ten, the newspaper back in the late 80’s and early 90’s.

As far as the Republicans in State Government are concerned, they act like the little sisters of the big brother Democrats. They spend more time oowwing and aghing and crying behind their backs on 96.3 FM in the morning, than they do fighting. If there were even 12 Republicans in the State Senate that the equipment necessary to use a urinal, they could tie Baldacci and his minions up, but, alas, the R’s in Maine are still busy proving that the title MS is good for males too. The publisher has personally spoken to and offered half a dozen Republican mentbers of the maine hosue and senat4e oepn access to the roll call votes page, allowing them to psot roll call votes and editorialize a bit, no takers, not one.

Born Again Christian readers of Christian-news-in-maine.com will not be taken for granted by the Republicans as are school teachers and racial minorities are by the Democrats!

14 posted on 01/29/2005 7:52:56 AM PST by newsgatherer
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Senator Susan Collins, was Secretary of Defense Don Rumsfeld pointing a finger at her?
Christian News in Maine.com staff report

Not long ago, a young soldier in Iraq asked Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld a question. His question dealt with what is called up-armoring of HumVees. Much has come out since then about the up-armoring of HumVees used in both Iraq and Afghanistan, not the least of which is that over 85% of all HumVees used in both theatres of operations had been up-armored at the time of the question.

What got our attention was not the question, but Secretary Rumsfeld’s answer. He replied to the soldier by saying "… You go war with the Army you have, not the Army you would like to have." That got us thinking and asking questions about what kind of Military President Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney and Secretary of Defense Don Rumsfeld inherited from the impeached, disgraced, adulterous Clinton administration.

The more we looked at Secretary Rumsfeld answer, the less enchanted we became with Maine’s two senators Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins. Snowe has never portrayed herself as anything but a liberal, she has never tried to pass herself off as pro-life, pro-Christ, pro-Republic, pro-tax cuts or anything else that even comes close to sounding Conservative. But, Senator Susan Collins has. So we went looking to see if when Secretary Rumsfeld said: "… You go war with the Army you have, not the Army you would like to have." he was referring to the likes of Kerry, Kennedy, Biden, Snowe, McCain and Boxer, but not Senator Susan Collins.

What we found was that Susan Collins, by her voting and speaking record in the Senate from January of 1997, when she took office, till February of 2001 when the Clinton regime was replaced with the Administration of President Bush, never once voted against or spoke against the severe, draconian and what proofed to be dangerous cuts to our military manpower and spending under the emasculating of our Military by Clinton and his Secretary of defense Cohen.

After doing a very thorough Nexus, Lexus, Google, Yahoo, MSN search, we were unable to find even one instance when Senator Collins voted against the destruction of our Military by the Clinton administration. When it came to cuts of our military budgets and manpower under Clinton, Senator Collins, like Senator Snowe, has a 100% Anti-US Military voting and speaking record.

One month ago, the publisher of Christian-news-in-maine.com emailed and called Senator Collins office. He told them that {In a diligent search of Senator Collins voting record and speaking record from the floor of the Senate, we have been unable to find even one instance where Senator Collins spoke against or voted against the draconian cuts to our military by Secretary Cohen and former impeached President Clinton. He went on to saythat before we go with the article, which will be the first issue in February, do you have anything that would show our research to be wrong? }

Like all good cornered liberals, the first thing the Collins office did was make excuses, ‘You know Senator Collins did not get here till 1997." And then they tried changing the subject. Till this point in time neither Senator Collins nor anyone of her staff have shown us anything that disproves our research, but true to our word, we will give them till next Friday evening at 5:PM EST time to produce documentation from official US Senate records showing our research either wrong or incomplete. So, we will give Senator Collins space in next weeks issue to tell her side, if she has one. We will at that time show you emails back and forth and what the Senators office sent as part of their distraction from our question.

It is sad how Senator Collins has followed in the footsteps of Senators Cohen and Snowe, Biden, Kerry, Kennedy and Boxer. We had hoped that, though she showed her abilities to manipulate and twist the truth in her attacks of John Hathaway, that she would show some signs of honesty and conservatism once in office.

To date: Senator Collins voted not to remove Clinton from office, claiming that perjury did not reach the level of removing a president from office. She has never voted against the horrific partial birth abortion murdering of the baby in the womb in the ninth month of pregnancy. Senator Collins, like Snowe, Kennedy, Biden, and Kerry have done everything in their power to prevent President Bush’s tax cutting measures from being permanent.

It is becoming more and more obvious that Senator Collins, just like Snowe, Kennedy, Biden, and Kerry showed much more loyalty to impeached and disgraced, adulterer Clinton than to the People of Maine and President Bush.


15 posted on 01/29/2005 8:27:37 AM PST by Brian Allen (I fly and can therefore be envious of no man -- Per Adua Ad Astra!)
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To: pageonetoo

As a candidate to send to Canada!


16 posted on 01/29/2005 8:31:19 AM PST by OldFriend (America's glory is not dominion, but liberty.)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

bttt


17 posted on 01/29/2005 8:34:26 AM PST by BenLurkin (Big government is still a big problem.)
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With 300,000+ people on some kind of government assistance in a population of 1.2 million...

Are you kidding? That's 25% of the population!

18 posted on 01/29/2005 8:34:54 AM PST by Ditto ( No trees were killed in sending this message, but billions of electrons were inconvenienced.)
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"With 300,000+ people on some kind of government assistance in a population of 1.2 million..."

"Are you kidding? That's 25% of the population! "

It's shocking, my understanding is that most of them are Medicaid (and Medicare?) and that it compares to a fraction of the percentage of people in New Hampshire, (a more populous state,) that use the same programs.

As a result, the DHHS has become a black hole for State funds. After Concannon was booted out no one has really been able to get a handle on the DHHS books.

Bushie could choke the 'rats if he would, (as I see the trend now) cut back federal funding for those programs. It would be complicated, but by maintaining support for rural hospital reimbursements, and slashing the rest of the welfare funding and replacing it with shipyard contracts for BIW and the Navy Shipyard and increased programs related to the Brunswick air base - he could maintain the same total economy in Maine, but shift it from the welfare sector to the working sector.

I'd hope that support for the 'rats will bleed away when folks stop collecting handouts and start paying Maine taxes.

When Tom Allen called to complain, Dubya could invite him into the Oval Office, drop trou' and tell that slimeball to kiss his ass.

(Ah, I can dream, can't I?)

19 posted on 01/29/2005 9:02:18 AM PST by Fido969
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"...but Collins is a problem."

Collins may have a problem as these people are really doing their homework and her record may nail her as to ever running again...as a conservative.

20 posted on 01/29/2005 11:01:59 AM PST by yoe (Algore, Kerry, and Dean need not reapply in ’08 – DNC cobwebs – HRC head spider – all going nowhere.)
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