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To: Ichneumon
Why is it that folks who wouldn't dream of thinking that they knew enough to attempt to identify any flaws in (for example) quantum physics, have no problem at all feeling "qualified" to "disprove" or outright dismiss just about *everything* in evolutionary biology?

Because scientists who advocate evolutionary theories have perpetuated hoaxes over many decades. The most famous "examples" of evolution have turned out to be frauds. Arguments from authority are always the weakest kind of argument, especially when the authorities are not averse to perpetuating fraudulent evidence.

Evolutionists tend to miss the forest for the trees. If evolution happened gradually, the fossil record should record this. It doesn't. The fossil record indicates stasis in species.

The only alternative evolutionary theory is evolution by giant leaps, which is plainly absurd.

514 posted on 01/30/2005 5:00:36 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Aquinasfan
Because scientists who advocate evolutionary theories have perpetuated hoaxes over many decades.

Oh really? I can think of *one* in the past 140 years, and it's *still* not known who actually perpetrated that one (Piltdown Man), or for what purpose. Plus it was *evolutionary scientists* themselves who eventually recognized and exposed it for what it was.

The most famous "examples" of evolution have turned out to be frauds.

You're hallucinating, but then that seems to be pretty common from your side of the debate. But do feel free to actually mention some alleged examples, so that I can point out how uninformed you are on this topic.

And no, errors or sloppiness don't count -- in order to support your accusations, you'll have to provide examples of actual knowing "frauds", not mistakes or corner-cutting which was later corrected. So that leaves out "Nebraska Man" or Haekel's embryos and such. Plus it'll have to be something that was actually used as a "most famous examples" for "decades", as you allege. Good luck.

Friendly warning: If you've made the mistake of reading Wells "Icons of Evolution" anti-evolution book -- and *believing* it -- you need to read these before you attempt to respond: Icons of Evolution FAQs . They document just how wildly off-base (and how much of a *documented FRAUD*) Wells himself is in his bizarre accusations. Don't say I didn't warn you.

Arguments from authority are always the weakest kind of argument,

...which is why evolutionary biology rests on evidence and testing, not "arguments from authority". You seem to be confused here -- it's the *creationists* which rely so heavily on "arguments from authority". Heck, look at all the posts in this very thread where anti-evolutionists have tried to use quotes from various "authorities" to somehow establish something about evolution.

especially when the authorities are not averse to perpetuating fraudulent evidence.

Support or retract this charge -- if you're honorable enough to do so. Be sure to name the "authorities" you're attempting to accuse -- the usual creationist hand-waving about the Nefarious Evolutionism Conspiracy (tm) just don't cut it.

Evolutionists tend to miss the forest for the trees. If evolution happened gradually, the fossil record should record this. It doesn't.

It does, actually -- from what creationist Cracker Jack box did you get your "knowledge" of the fossil record?

The fossil record indicates stasis in species.

...as well as change. Your creationist "talking points" sort of "forgot" to give you the whole story, didn't they? Speaking of fraud...

The only alternative evolutionary theory is evolution by giant leaps, which is plainly absurd.

False dichotomy, there are numerous other scenarios -- including the ones by which evolution occurs, which have been verified in countless ways.

Please try to *learn* something about science before you attempt to critique it, eh? You are, quite frankly, just making a fool of yourself here. And be sure to take my post #158 challenge, along with the rest of your "I don't actually know evolutionary biology, but I know it's all wrong" friends. I'm tired of the uninformed horsecrap -- put up or shut up.

519 posted on 01/30/2005 6:01:45 AM PST by Ichneumon
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