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Republicans Squaring Off Over Bush Plan on Immigration
NY Times ^ | January 27, 2005 | DAVID D. KIRKPATRICK

Posted on 01/27/2005 7:15:50 PM PST by neverdem

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To: F16Fighter
Cut the crap, Mr. President. Just uphold the Constitution, d@mmit!

It's beyond crap. Nobody is buying this sh*t.

81 posted on 01/27/2005 9:12:39 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf (No more illegal alien sympathizers from Texas. America has one too many.)
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To: neverdem
"I [Dubya Bush] know there is a compassionate, humane way to deal with this issue. I want to remind people that family values do not end at the Rio Grande border."

Can ANYBODY remind the President that HIS job isn't to moralize about why he's allowing a foreign invasion to go on unimpeded??

MEMO TO GEORGE W. BUSH:

YOU ARE STILL OBLIGATED TO PROTECT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE FROM ILLEGAL INVASION

82 posted on 01/27/2005 9:15:04 PM PST by F16Fighter
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To: COEXERJ145; bahblahbah; Marine Inspector; Happy2BMe; JustAnotherSavage; B4Ranch; HiJinx; ...
"Do you really think that [ a border fence ] is going to stop people from crossing the border?"

YES. They work every where they are tried.


www.concretefence.com/pages/homelandsecurity


There is our border with Mexico. See the car?

That torn down fence is our "border" with mexico, in Lukeville, Arizona. See the road?

Ever heard of ATV's? A person on a quad can go quite easily across our "open" border, anywhere they want.

83 posted on 01/27/2005 9:15:15 PM PST by FBD ("A nation without borders is not a nation." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: Joe Hadenuf
"It's beyond crap. Nobody is buying this sh*t."

Are the eunuchs and RINOs in the GOP really going to stop him?

84 posted on 01/27/2005 9:17:08 PM PST by F16Fighter
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To: Dat Mon

Yes but it's sad isn't it? I can't believe such an outrageous scheme is even being debated let alone considered.


85 posted on 01/27/2005 9:18:13 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: rottndog
"When emergency rooms and trauma centers are closing left and right because of unpaid bills by ILLEGAL ALIENS"

Another urban rumor that has been dispelled. Hospitals don't go out of business because they have too many patients, they go out of business when they have too few. Old hospitals in declining areas go out of business because people with good health insurance (or wealthy) go to new modern better equipped hospitals to have their surgery.

Hospitals don't have to accept patients who can't pay (unless they are a charity) and don't have keep emergency rooms open.

Old hospitals close, old supermarkets close, old gas stations close, old theatres close, old restaurants close.....and it's always from too few customers, not too many.

86 posted on 01/27/2005 9:19:08 PM PST by bayourod (America, the greatest nation in history is a nation of immigrants. Immigrants are an asset.)
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To: bayourod
"Productive immigrants are never a drain on tax bases."

You've been corrected by myself and others countless times, yet you persist in blurring the distinctions between:

ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS
LEGAL IMMIGRANTS
GUEST WORKERS

This is one reason why I have a bad feeling with this guest worker proposal.

Its strongest proponents, such as yourself, can't even get the basic definitions straight.
87 posted on 01/27/2005 9:19:17 PM PST by Dat Mon (will work for clever tagline)
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To: COEXERJ145

"Oh, and keep moving to the left with comments about the evil "corporate interests". Sounding more like a Democrat every day."

Like that well known Leftist Teddy Roosevelt?


88 posted on 01/27/2005 9:24:01 PM PST by radicalamericannationalist (The Senate is our new goal: 60 in '06.)
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To: F16Fighter
Are the eunuchs and RINOs in the GOP really going to stop him?

Nope. These sell outs and party before country, big government hacks will do nothing to stop this chaos. They will eventually kill this country if allowed to do so. All for the almighty buck.

89 posted on 01/27/2005 9:24:09 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf (No more illegal alien sympathizers from Texas. America has one too many.)
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To: FBD

Please DO keep posting that. A picture is worth a thousand words.


90 posted on 01/27/2005 9:25:33 PM PST by Happy2BMe ("Islam fears democracy worse than anything If the imams can't control it - they will kill it.)
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To: Missouri

LOL!!!

BUMP!!!!


91 posted on 01/27/2005 9:25:45 PM PST by moehoward
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To: ohiocreek
"Immigration and multiculturalism have destroyed our old traditions."

And that's more important to you than feeding your family? What traditions have immigrants taken away from you? Did immigrants take your rebel flag down? Did immigrants take prayer out of your schools? Did immigrants legalize abortion, invent quotas, legalize homosexuaL marriage?

.

"Columbus is now a murderous, racist, genocidal nut."

Columbus day is an Italian immigrants' holiday, and Mexican laborers weren't the ones denegrating him, Northeastern liberal blue bloods were.

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"How about Christmas (thrown out as a white man's holiday). "

Felis Navida

92 posted on 01/27/2005 9:28:52 PM PST by bayourod (America, the greatest nation in history is a nation of immigrants. Immigrants are an asset.)
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To: ohiocreek

Do you think immigrants such as Mexican Catholics are the cause of a loss of traditionalism? I think its our own third and fourth generation White Americans who have forgotten their roots and let go of their religions and cultures in exchange for the "anything goes" American culture. It is these Americans who push their "civil liberties" and try to eliminate God from our society.

Immigrants built this country, and the "melting pot" society helped shape who we were as a nation for many years before it was considered discriminatory to have a Christmas Vacation (only a Holiday Vacation is acceptable).

From what I know of immigrants in this nation, especially illegals, they do not have enough influence in this country to have changed its social course, and politicians certianly don't care to espouse them, since they will likely never become voters.

What Bush is doing is daring, and although this says nothing for the plan's effect on this nation, or the effectiveness of this plan, I believe he is really doing it from his heart. He loves this country and I'm sure he wishes the whole world can experience life in the greatest nation in the world. I believe he is genuinely sympathetic to the plight of illegal immigrants, no matter how undesirable most Americans think they are.

So no matter how much you disagree with the plan, let's try to refrain from some of the name-calling which I saw in some posts. Taking a stance like this on immigration is just a small piece of the fascinating presidency of George W. Bush, a president who did not run the country solely on strict ideology, but out of complete love for freedom, for God and for this nation, and for wishing to spread the "wealth" (not just in $, but in our freedom, our opportunity and our ideas) of America to all those who he can. He may not be perfect, but he's a great man with strong convictions who should be admired.


93 posted on 01/27/2005 9:33:40 PM PST by Joe Taranto
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To: Joe Hadenuf

LOL!!


94 posted on 01/27/2005 9:33:48 PM PST by moehoward
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To: neverdem

One thing I think would be a good idea would be to pass a law withholding federal funds from cities that have sanctuary rules, where the police can't ask about a suspects immigration status.


95 posted on 01/27/2005 9:34:10 PM PST by ichabod1 (The Spirit of the Lord Hath Left This Place)
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To: FBD

I want to go a step further . I want to start pushing people OUT of this country never mind making it easier for people to stay and get here. I mean making the US a few dozen million non native born people lighter. ALL immigration from the middle East should be stopped and STRICT rules for any other immigrant coming from anywhere else .


96 posted on 01/27/2005 9:36:07 PM PST by hineybona
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To: Dat Mon
""We don't know whether or not that report is true," this official said. "

"Officials believed the disk may have been part of a terrorist plot. However, FBI officials said on Friday that there did not appear to be a terrorist threat connected to the computer disk. "

"In July, officials dismissed as untrue an Internet report that said a group of Middle Eastern men were recently caught trying to cross the border from Mexico. "

I've asked many posters many times and there has not been one single confirmed case of a terrorist jumping the southern border, even though over a hundred people who entered at official entry points with papers have been indicted or confirmed to be terrorist related. Right now the risks of border jumping far outweigh the risks of entering legally. That's a tribute to our border guards.

97 posted on 01/27/2005 9:36:34 PM PST by bayourod (America, the greatest nation in history is a nation of immigrants. Immigrants are an asset.)
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To: Happy2BMe
- And please post this site (below) to all the anti-border wall/fence people out there.
Note that Homeland Security recommends sensitive areas like power, chemical and water plants to be protected with a concrete wall-fence, to keep out the riff-raff. Oddly, they feel no compunction to do the same for our border.


www.concretefence.com/pages/homelandsecurity

"Managers of such intrusion-sensitive operations are scrambling to protect their power plants, water plants and city and commercial buildings to address Homeland Security recommendations and secure their workers and infrastructure. But many are faced with the realization that the old standards they're using to protect the perimeter of their existing or planned facilities, such as the chain-link fence and traditional masonry, may no longer suffice.



98 posted on 01/27/2005 9:37:27 PM PST by FBD ("A nation without borders is not a nation." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: Joe Taranto

yes, but added to your statement ..he's DEAD wrong on this issue..Seriously wrong , regardless of where his heart is on it. It's a DANGEROUS policy..PERIOD


99 posted on 01/27/2005 9:38:10 PM PST by hineybona
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To: rottndog
giving legal documents to people who break our laws

Giving legal documents to people who's identity we cannot verify. It is insane.

100 posted on 01/27/2005 9:40:13 PM PST by ichabod1 (The Spirit of the Lord Hath Left This Place)
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