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Republicans Squaring Off Over Bush Plan on Immigration
NY Times ^ | January 27, 2005 | DAVID D. KIRKPATRICK

Posted on 01/27/2005 7:15:50 PM PST by neverdem

WASHINGTON, Jan. 26 - The battle within the Republican Party over immigration policy was joined Wednesday as President Bush vigorously promoted his proposal for a guest worker program and conservatives in Congress introduced an alternative proposal to tighten immigration restrictions.

At a news conference, President Bush said again that he considered his guest worker proposal "a priority" even though Senate Republicans left it off their list of top goals. "A program that enables people to come into our country in a legal way to work for a period of time, for jobs that Americans won't do, will help make it easier for us to secure our borders," Mr. Bush said, adding: "I know there is a compassionate, humane way to deal with this issue. I want to remind people that family values do not end at the Rio Grande border."

Party conservatives, however, have strenuously opposed a guest worker plan since Mr. Bush introduced the idea in 2001, even staging a losing revolt over its inclusion in the party platform at the 2004 Republican convention. Many conservatives call the president's ideas "amnesty" - a term Mr. Bush disputes - because his plan includes ways for currently illegal immigrants to obtain temporary worker permits.

On Wednesday afternoon, Representative F. James Sensenbrenner Jr., the Wisconsin Republican who is chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, again introduced a measure to block illegal immigrants from obtaining driver's licenses.

At a news conference, he said the committee would not consider other immigration proposals, implicitly including the president's, until his own measure passed. A similar measure was removed from a bill to enact the recommendations of the 9/11 Commission last year. Senator Jon Kyl, Republican of Arizona, is expected to introduce a driver's license restriction this year.

Mr. Sensenbrenner said his bill was primarily directed at border security, distinguishing it from other changes in immigration policy. "Immigrants are not terrorists, except a few of them," he said. "The legislation that was introduced today is designed to get the bad apples out of the barrel before the barrel was spoiled."

He said a group of House Republicans had written a letter to Mr. Bush urging him to provide full financing for provisions in last year's antiterrorism bill doubling the number of border patrol agents and tripling the number of beds for detaining illegal immigrants over the next five years. The Department of Homeland Security said recently that it was planning a smaller increase in financing, drawing the ire of advocates of tighter immigration laws.

Asked about the president's proposal, Mr. Sensenbrenner said his committee was "going to be plenty busy with other priorities, a lot of which are the priorities of the White House."

In an interview, Representative Chris Cannon, a Utah Republican who supports the president's plan, said a guest worker program would not amount to an amnesty because it would include a monetary penalty for currently illegal immigrants. "The people who want to kick them all out are not reasonable people," he said.

But Representative Tom Tancredo, Republican of Colorado and chairman of the Congressional immigration caucus, vowed to defeat any program that in his view would reward lawbreakers, even questioning the president's motives. "Could it be just the corporate interests, the money interests that rely so heavily on cheap labor?" he asked


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Canada; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; Mexico; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Arizona; US: Colorado; US: District of Columbia; US: Utah; US: Wisconsin; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: aliens; bordersecurity; bush43; bushamnesty; gopmodsquad; illegalaliens; immigrantlist; immigration; immigrationplan; rino; sensenbrenner; w2
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To: Reaganwuzthebest

Post 283 idiot! You shouldn't post while drunk or stupid.


321 posted on 01/28/2005 4:25:33 PM PST by bayourod (America, the greatest nation in history is a nation of immigrants. Immigrants are an asset.)
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To: bayourod
Post 283 idiot! You shouldn't post while drunk or stupid.

Umm Dorothy, Ronald Reagan's quote is post #262. Now quit talking about yourself, read it, then tell us what you think.

322 posted on 01/28/2005 4:28:37 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: bayourod

Your response in 283 was a joke. You completely danced around the fact Reagan supported tough measures against employers, not rewards disguised as compassion.


323 posted on 01/28/2005 4:33:35 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Marine Inspector; B4Ranch; TexasCowboy; taxed2death; All

Jan. 28, 2005 NEW POLL UP!

This poll refers to an ID # given by the IRS for Federal tax purposes only. At least 5 states are accepting this ID card to give social services, registering to vote, even sell property to Illegal Aliens. Financing institutions love it and make excuses that "it should be" legal.

Do you believe state governments should allow illegal aliens to use a federal identification number to obtain rights intended for U.S. citizens?

Yes 6% 156 votes

No 94% 2650 votes

Total: 2806 votes
http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/lou.dobbs.tonight/


The show will air again later, it's worth watching tonight!


324 posted on 01/28/2005 4:34:45 PM PST by JustAnotherSavage ("We are all sinners. But jerks revel in their sins." PJ O'Rourke)
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To: bayourod; B4Ranch; All

"I suspect that the CBP is a little smarter than you give them credit for."


Border council calls Bush plan 'slap in the face'
By Jerry Seper
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Published January 12, 2004



The National Border Patrol Council, which represents all 9,000 of the Border Patrol´s nonsupervisory agents, has told its members to challenge President Bush´s proposed guest-worker program, calling it a "slap in the face to anyone who has ever tried to enforce the immigration laws of the United States."
    The agents are told in a letter from Vice President John Frecker that the proposal offered last week during a White House press conference "implies that the country really wasn´t serious about" immigration enforcement in the first place.
    "Hey, you know all those illegal aliens you risked 'life and limb´ to apprehend? FAH-GED-ABOWD-IT," said Mr. Frecker, a veteran Border Patrol agent. "President Bush has solved the problem. Don´t be confused and call this an 'amnesty,´ even though those who are here illegally will suddenly become legal and will be allowed to stay here.
    "The president assures us that it´s not an amnesty," he said.
    On Wednesday, Mr. Bush proposed sweeping immigration changes that would allow the 8 million to 12 million illegal aliens thought to be in the United States to remain in the country if they have a job and apply for a guest-worker card.
    The immigrants could stay for renewable three-year periods, after which they could apply for permanent legal residence.
    Mr. Frecker told the agents that the Bush proposal, if approved, would result in increased illegal immigration at the nation´s borders.
    "While you´re out there trying to do your jobs, which the country isn´t too serious about, you´ll have to deal with the expected increase in attempted (illegal aliens), who are trying to get here to take advantage of the proposed amnesty oops, earned legality," Mr. Frecker said.
    "Those who are waiting to sneak in will be allowed to come as 'temporary (yeah, right) guest workers,´" he said. "Well, first they need to find a willing employer who´ll offer them a job at minimum wages after he claims he just can´t find a legal worker to take the job. Then the poor employer is just going to have to go outside the U.S. to find his workers. Those darn Americans just don´t want to work." ---snip----
http://www.washingtontimes.com/functions/print.php?StoryID=20040112-123623-1914r


325 posted on 01/28/2005 4:44:27 PM PST by JustAnotherSavage ("We are all sinners. But jerks revel in their sins." PJ O'Rourke)
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To: JustAnotherSavage
The National Border Patrol Council...

You think that union has your best interests at heart? Any union?

326 posted on 01/28/2005 4:46:41 PM PST by PRND21
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To: JustAnotherSavage

The couincil is a government employees labor union.


327 posted on 01/28/2005 4:54:05 PM PST by bayourod (America, the greatest nation in history is a nation of immigrants. Immigrants are an asset.)
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To: PRND21

RE:"...think that union..."
Yep

Don't attack the messenger, by doing so, one sorta admits their holding a losing position.


328 posted on 01/28/2005 5:07:43 PM PST by investigateworld (Babies= A sure sign He hasn't given up on mankind!)
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To: montag813
Are you a Bushbot?

Are you a Hillbot?

329 posted on 01/28/2005 5:09:08 PM PST by PRND21
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To: investigateworld
Don't attack the messenger, by doing so, one sorta admits their holding a losing position.

Unions deserve atacking, in my opinion.

330 posted on 01/28/2005 5:11:00 PM PST by PRND21
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To: bayourod
Those who know him only from history don't have the faintest clue about the man.

Reagan never let his 'compassion', as you call it, get in the way of his respect for the law, let alone doing what he knew was right. Your appropriation of him here is obscene.

I know a little about the guy, since he was also my governor for 8 years.

331 posted on 01/28/2005 5:11:54 PM PST by skeeter (OBL "Americans" won't honor any law that interferes with their pocketbooks)
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To: bayourod
The couincil is a government employees labor union.

So, this has come from a dreaded union member oh my.

Can you please tell us what isn't true in this statement? Regardless of where it came from it's right on the money if you ask me.

"Those who are waiting to sneak in will be allowed to come as 'temporary (yeah, right) guest workers,´" he said. "Well, first they need to find a willing employer who´ll offer them a job at minimum wages after he claims he just can´t find a legal worker to take the job. Then the poor employer is just going to have to go outside the U.S. to find his workers. Those darn Americans just don´t want to work."

332 posted on 01/28/2005 5:12:07 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: PRND21
Gotcha, some do.
But flooding our borders will end up with more gov't union employees vs. sealing the borders. Look at the hugh number of illegals taking up space in the Cali joints (at $40,000 per head)
In this case they're right, and I'm certainly happy they are being out front with the American people.
333 posted on 01/28/2005 5:17:08 PM PST by investigateworld (Babies= A sure sign He hasn't given up on mankind!)
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To: bayourod
"Post 283 idiot! You shouldn't post while drunk or stupid."

You can't address the substance of his point,hence you have no merit in your argument.

You revert to name calling in an attempt to keep from addressing the substance of his point, hence you are a coward.
334 posted on 01/28/2005 5:43:04 PM PST by rottndog (Our most important obligation as Americans is to preserve our country for future generations.)
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To: COEXERJ145

Hell of a ping list there.


335 posted on 01/28/2005 5:46:28 PM PST by 4.1O dana super trac pak (Stop the open borders death cult)
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To: rottndog; bayourod

Typical behavior from bayourod, suprisingly there hasn't been much in the way of "racist" or "xenophobe" yet. Must be frustrating for him when there's millions of illegal aliens to defend; so many threads, so little time.


336 posted on 01/28/2005 5:56:58 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Reaganwuzthebest; bayourod
"The couincil is a government employees labor union."

So unions are the enemy. I suppose this includes the Arizona Police Association which endorsed Bush last year? http://www.azpolice.org/2004%20Political%20Endorsements%20-%20General%20Election.pdf

Or the Baltimore police union that supported Ehrlich in his election? http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/bal-md.ehrlich23oct23%2C0%2C5808597.story?coll=bal-local-headlines

Or the Uniformed Firefighters Association of Greater New York? And the 44% of the International Association of Fire Fighters who identify themselves as Republicans? How about the 87% of that union that identify themselves as conservative? http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6066566

Or the 37% of all union members who voted for Bush in 2000? http://www.bostonherald.com/national/view.bg?articleid=37620

Why are unions and the rank and file welcomed to vote for Republicans in election but then treated like pariahs once they've done their jobs and punched their ballots?
337 posted on 01/28/2005 6:24:18 PM PST by radicalamericannationalist (The Senate is our new goal: 60 in '06.)
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To: radicalamericannationalist
Only those unions who push for higher wages and worker protections are the enemy apparently.

Some unions are corrupt and ask way too much from companies but on the other hand many of the workers in them are conservatives who consistently vote GOP and will be devastated financially if this guest worker program ever becomes law.

338 posted on 01/28/2005 6:37:35 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Reaganwuzthebest

You hear Rush today? Even he says he doesn;t buy the "We need illegals" argument any more. He specifically cited the scaling down of American wages that would follow from importing a huge Third World labor force.


339 posted on 01/28/2005 6:41:44 PM PST by radicalamericannationalist (The Senate is our new goal: 60 in '06.)
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To: radicalamericannationalist
You hear Rush today? Even he says he doesn;t buy the "We need illegals" argument any more.

No didn't hear Rush but that's good he's coming around. He has the largest listening audience in the country and I think knows how most of them feel about this issue.

340 posted on 01/28/2005 6:47:49 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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