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To: Northern Yankee

You might make the same arguments about faith healing or that stupid show where the con man "speaks to the dead." They both bring such joy to others. Except they're frauds, and some people do rely on these things as important. There will be religious people who are fooled by the fake shroud who will fly to see it and waste their money.

And you didn't "mearly" say "that it is possible that this could be the burial cloth of Jesus." You said that "If we dismiss it and say it isn't possible, aren't we putting limitations on God?" You tried to tell me that denying the possibility that this is Jesus's burial shroud is denying God. Your attempt to twist the words otherwise is silly, as is your attempt to make me out to be some person out to expose you to ridicule. You're the one who's selling the faux Shroud. You've exposed yourself.

But I am angry, because there are people out there whose faith in Jesus and God makes them want to believe in something and see further proof of God's love for them. These are people who need help with their faith, not to be falsely proselytized to. They shouldn't be conned into believing some fraud hanky will provide proof of God's love simply because some huckster wants to sell books, when God's love is already written down for us, and He doesn't need a hanky to demonstrate it.


232 posted on 01/27/2005 7:22:11 PM PST by LibertarianInExile (NO BLOOD FOR CHOCOLATE! Get the UN-ignoring, unilateralist Frogs out of Ivory Coast!)
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To: LibertarianInExile
You're the one who's selling the faux Shroud. You've exposed yourself.

Wrong! I am not selling any idea, merely stating that the possibility exists that the shroud indeed could be the burial cloth of Jesus.

You continue to ridicule the shroud, calling it a hanky, and a fake. That bothers me greatly as you act so flippant about this subject. Certainly you must know that the dead at that time were annointed with oils, wrapped in a shroud, and laid in the tomb. How can it be so hard for you to think that the Shroud might actually exist?

You keep citing that there is no definitive proof, or biblical record of its authenticity, yet isn't that what faith is all about? To believe that something could exist in the absence of scientific fact?

Although you may not agree that it is the shroud, that certainly is your right, but to ridicule the fact that it could exist, or to put others down for their beliefs seems a bit un-Christian, don't you think?

God Bless...

242 posted on 01/27/2005 8:48:36 PM PST by Northern Yankee (Freedom Needs A Soldier!)
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To: LibertarianInExile; Northern Yankee
But I am angry, because there are people out there whose faith in Jesus and God makes them want to believe in something and see further proof of God's love for them.

You may not have noticed, but those of us here arguing for the Shroud's authenticity are basing our arguments on the evidence. If your argument is based on something other than dogmatic belief, please present the evidence.

282 posted on 01/28/2005 5:21:54 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: LibertarianInExile

Oh it's because you're a Fundie. Thanks for clearing that up.


319 posted on 01/29/2005 11:10:37 AM PST by Conservative til I die
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