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A CONVERSATION WITH JANET GOLDEN Sorting Out Ambivalence Over Alcohol and Pregnancy
NY Times ^ | January 25, 2005 | JAN HOFFMAN

Posted on 01/25/2005 4:59:19 PM PST by neverdem

When Janet Golden was kicking around in utero 53 years ago, pregnant women of her mother's generation were encouraged to enjoy their 5 o'clock cocktails. A martini calmed nerves; a glass of wine helped a woman to sleep. But don't drink too much, obstetricians cautioned: all those empty calories!

By the mid-1960's, many obstetricians even believed that alcohol could halt premature labor. As noted by Dr. Golden, now a medical historian at Rutgers University in Camden, N.J., when women arrived at the hospital in premature labor, they were often handed a vodka and orange juice or given alcohol intravenously.

But in 1973, a new diagnosis, fetal alcohol syndrome, had been identified in the children of women who drank heavily during pregnancy. The symptoms included diminished I.Q., small stature, flat face and drooping eyelids.

In her new book, "Message in a Bottle: The Making of Fetal Alcohol Syndrome" (Harvard University Press), Dr. Golden argues that the political, legal, medical and social response to fetal alcohol syndrome has been inconsistent, often illogical and frequently volatile.

If alcoholism has been acknowledged as a disease, she observes, then why have pregnant women who drink been charged with child abuse?

Ultimately, she writes, fetal alcohol syndrome is a template on which society continues to rewrite its ambivalent feelings about pregnancy, maternal responsibility, the rights of the fetus and alcoholism.

In a telephone interview from her home outside Philadelphia, where she lives with her husband and two sons, Dr. Golden said she hoped that her book would be read as an argument for more and better treatment programs.

Despite the mandatory labels on every bottle of alcohol now sold in the United States that warn pregnant women not to drink, she said, the syndrome "is still a relatively common birth defect."

Q. What started you thinking about fetal alcohol syndrome?

A. I was fascinated by the labels on the liquor bottles. It puzzled me as to why the first warning was about pregnancy, and not about drunk driving, which kills many more people.

As a historian, I asked: surely we must have been thinking about women and pregnancy and drinking for a long time; why are we thinking about it this way now?

Q. Before fetal alcohol syndrome was identified, how did we think about women and pregnancy and drinking?

A. Actually, for most of Western history, societies had been mostly concerned with alcohol abuse by men. It was more prevalent, it was more visible, and it was linked to violence and social disorder. It had enormous social cost: men drank up their wages, beat their wives and children, lost jobs, went to the poorhouse.

There was always a concern about whether alcohol affected sperm. People thought it was all there in the egg, and the sperm had to liven it up.

Q. So why were Americans finally able to accept that alcohol could have an impact on a fetus?

A. By 1973, we'd been through thalidomide and the rubella epidemic, which let people understand that the womb was not a protective barrier and that fetuses could be damaged by exposure in utero. Alcohol, too? O.K. That makes sense. And abortion looked like a quick fix to F.A.S. In the early days of Roe v. Wade, physicians openly talked about recommending abortions to pregnant alcoholic women. So: "We've discovered F.A.S., but we have a solution."

Q. How did the beverage industry react to having to label every liquor bottle with warnings?

A. They fought labeling tooth and nail when it was first proposed. They didn't want to have an admission on their packages that there were risks involved in drinking.

But after the Cipollone decisions about federal tobacco labeling, they saw that labeling might indemnify them from lawsuits. So they did a political turnaround. Instead, they worked very hard to make sure the warnings didn't appear on the front of bottles and that, most importantly, they didn't appear in beverage advertising, and particularly beer advertising, on TV.

Q. When we as a society concern ourselves with pregnant women who drink, who is the primary patient, the woman or her fetus?

A. By the 1980's and crack babies, we shifted our attention from the problems of women struggling with substance abuse who need health care to taking a criminal justice approach that said, Bad women are doing bad drugs and harming fetuses. Now we had guilty mothers and innocent babies. There was an erosion of sympathy for the women struggling with drinking and a desire to punish them in the name of protecting potential future citizens.

You have a legal right to drink as an adult, but women began to be arrested and charged with child endangerment for drinking while pregnant. People who would never walk up to a guy at a bar and say, "Let me call you a cab," felt completely free to walk up to a pregnant woman and say, "You shouldn't be drinking."

Q. How pervasive is fetal alcohol syndrome?

A. The C.D.C. says that 0.2 to 1.5 per 1,000 live births in the U.S. are babies born with F.A.S. It's a real syndrome, and I have no question that it exists.

Q. But wouldn't the number of cases be far greater if we didn't have the warnings?

A. Warnings are very effective for people who want to hear them and heed them.

A lot of people said, "So alcohol is bad, I won't touch it when I'm pregnant, and I'll worry about whether I drank the night I conceived."

And for those women, giving up alcohol for nine months is not a significant sacrifice.

You could feel good that you'd made a decision to promote the health of your fetus, and it's a sign of how responsible you are.

But the labeling has not had a major impact on the incidence of F.A.S. Chronic alcoholics and heavy binge drinkers, it appears, don't stop drinking because of a warning label.

Q. If strangers feel it's incumbent upon them to intervene when they see pregnant women drinking at bars or parties, why, as you write, are obstetricians uncomfortable taking a more aggressive role with their patients?

A. If you're diagnosed with diabetes, the doctor can say: "I can send you to a diabetes center with a specialist. You have cancer? I know where to send you. But you have a relapsing chronic alcohol abuse problem? I don't know where to send you. And I am not sure I want to deal with you, because it's relapsing."

It's very hard to find treatment beds for pregnant women. And women are reluctant to enter treatment, because they have to put their other children in foster care and they're not sure they will get them back. It's a big commitment on the part of the patient and the obstetrician.

Q. Your book focuses on one diagnosis. What can we extrapolate from it?

A. Diagnoses are developed in a cultural framework and their meanings change.

What is important to think about is how we understand a diagnosis, not just from a medical point of view but as a culture that has to respond to people with that diagnosis.

And that's true whether you have H.I.V. or diabetes or autism. F.A.S., for example, has gone from, "Oh, look, a scientific discovery!" to being a marker of bad mothering. And that still hasn't led to the creation of new and better services.

Q. Despite the absolutism of the warning labels, do scientists still disagree about what constitutes an unacceptable level of alcohol during pregnancy?

A. My sense is that some researchers see risks at moderate levels of exposure and others say you have to have a significantly high level of exposure.

But underlying that is the methodology: you're asking women to recall how much they drank while pregnant. They may not be telling the truth, they may not recall, they may not reveal their illegal drug use as well, and other factors that compromise fetal health.

It's not easy research to conduct. It's easy to control the amount of alcohol you give a pregnant rat.

Q. After six years of researching fetal alcohol syndrome, do you now have a gut instinct about whether it's O.K. to drink during pregnancy?

A. I've read so many different arguments from so many different scientists that I don't think I should comment.

But in a litigious society, one that is committed to banishing all risk, then you have take a position against all drinking.

In theory, anyone could be a terrorist, so everyone has to go through the line at the airport. Whereas in more practical terms, we might be able to develop a profile and only screen certain passengers, but we won't do that.

So everyone has to get their luggage X-rayed.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: alcohol; pregnancy
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1 posted on 01/25/2005 4:59:20 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

"The symptoms included diminished I.Q., small stature, flat face and drooping eyelids."


So that's what happened to me!

Wine Spectator had an article about drinking wine during pregnancy afew years back, and a study that they cited found that women who drank a glass of wine or two a week during pregnancy actually had easier pregnancies and fewer complications than women who abstained entirely.

Granted, this is correlation and not causation, but it leads one to believe that light alcohol consumption during pregnancy is not the horrible thing that we are being led to believe by the handwringing bedwetters of the world.


2 posted on 01/25/2005 5:11:52 PM PST by Altamira (Get the UN out of the US, and the US out of the UN!)
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To: neverdem
when women arrived at the hospital in premature labor, they were often handed a vodka and orange juice or given alcohol intravenously.

I often think of things like this when anti-Chiropractic stuff gets spewed.

3 posted on 01/25/2005 5:12:11 PM PST by 1john2 3and4
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To: Altamira

Fetal Alcohol Syndrome is a real and serious problem, but it's caused by multiple bottles of vodka, not by a glass of wine.


4 posted on 01/25/2005 5:15:24 PM PST by Tax-chick (Wielder of the Dread Words of Power, "Bless your heart, honey!")
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To: neverdem

I had a cousin in law with Down's because his mother had been a lush all during the pregnancy..
It's hardly worth it to risk your baby's health over a drink. If you need one that bad, you have more problems than you know.


5 posted on 01/25/2005 5:26:58 PM PST by Awestruck (The artist formerly known as Goodie D)
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To: neverdem
And women are reluctant to enter treatment, because they have to put their other children in foster care and they're not sure they will get them back.

Oh. I guess she's talking about "single" drunk moms with "no immediate" family except for her fatherless children. Is that what she means?

FMCDH(BITS)

6 posted on 01/25/2005 5:27:59 PM PST by nothingnew (Kerry is gone...perhaps to Lake Woebegone)
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To: Tax-chick
but it's caused by multiple bottles of vodka, not by a glass of wine.

I agree, but more often than not it's beer and cheap alcohol because it's usually younger and uneducated woman that contribute to the syndrome.

7 posted on 01/25/2005 5:29:02 PM PST by lindor (If con is the opposite of pro, is Congress the opposite of Progress?)
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To: El Gato; JudyB1938; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Robert A. Cook, PE; lepton; LadyDoc; jb6; tiamat; PGalt; ..

FReepmail me if you want on or off my health and science ping list.


8 posted on 01/25/2005 5:37:00 PM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: lindor

Beer by itself probably doesn't have enough alcohol. Beer and some kind of cheap grain liquor ... blech!


9 posted on 01/25/2005 5:38:36 PM PST by Tax-chick (Wielder of the Dread Words of Power, "Bless your heart, honey!")
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To: Tax-chick
Beer has plenty of alcohol in a 12oz container. A common misconception is that beer is not as strong as liquor and by serving, it is.
10 posted on 01/25/2005 5:56:03 PM PST by lindor (If con is the opposite of pro, is Congress the opposite of Progress?)
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To: lindor

Good point on the serving size ... I don't drink beer, so I wasn't thinking in those terms.


11 posted on 01/25/2005 5:58:04 PM PST by Tax-chick (Wielder of the Dread Words of Power, "Bless your heart, honey!")
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To: Tax-chick; All
Standard servings of beer, wine and spirits -- a 12-ounce can of beer, a 5-ounce glass of wine and a cocktail with 1 1/2-ounces of 80-proof spirits -- all contain the same amount of absolute alcohol.

It's the total amount that counts.

12 posted on 01/25/2005 6:08:48 PM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem

Very true.


13 posted on 01/25/2005 6:12:53 PM PST by Tax-chick (Wielder of the Dread Words of Power, "Bless your heart, honey!")
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To: neverdem
I've come across many alcoholics who say something like.......I can't be an alcoholic because I only drink beer.

Thanks for posting that information.

14 posted on 01/25/2005 6:28:35 PM PST by lindor (If con is the opposite of pro, is Congress the opposite of Progress?)
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To: 1john2 3and4

Interesting comment. I'm married to a Chiropractor and
have been astonished at the anti Chiro venom on FR - one of
my favorite web sites.

What's up with that?


15 posted on 01/25/2005 6:33:22 PM PST by Lesforlife ("For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb . . ." Psalm 139:13)
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To: Awestruck
I had a cousin in law with Down's because his mother had been a lush all during the pregnancy..

You are in the stone age dear. Down's syndrome is a chromosomal aberration that has absolutely NOTHING to do with alcohol consumption. It's more dependent on simply the age of the mother. the condition of her eggs with age or sometimes just the hand nature deals you.

As far as I know, science has never found a link to pregnant based alcoholic behavior and Downs. S##t happens.

Alcohol abuse is harmful to a fetus but Down's syndrome isn't the outcome.

16 posted on 01/25/2005 7:30:06 PM PST by lizma
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To: Lesforlife
I haven't run across any of that yet - been here since 2000.

But after having a headache for 3 months and being told to "take more tylenol" by my internal medicine dr., I found a chiropractor and got better.

My mom remembers driving a friend to a chiropractor for several trips and then arriving one day to find he'd been arrested for practicing. He was later released and resumed his practice.

17 posted on 01/25/2005 7:35:54 PM PST by Tuscaloosa Goldfinch (THANK YOU LORD -- John Kerry is still just a senator.)
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To: Tax-chick
Fetal Alcohol Syndrome is a real and serious problem, but it's caused by multiple bottles of vodka, not by a glass of wine.

Amen

18 posted on 01/25/2005 7:52:42 PM PST by Nov3 ("This is the best election night in history." --DNC chair Terry McAuliffe Nov. 2,2004 8p.m.)
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To: neverdem
If you're diagnosed with diabetes, the doctor can say: "I can send you to a diabetes center with a specialist

But the specialist cannot make the woman compliant with the recommended treatment. My husband sees pregnant diabetics who refuse to take care of themselves properly. They are not just putting themselves at risk, they are putting their babies at risk. Like women who drink, it can be very difficult to get some women to do what is right for the baby.

19 posted on 01/25/2005 8:38:07 PM PST by knuthom
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To: Lesforlife
Seems like ignorance & resistance to change is not the sole province of liberals. (ever notice just how like libs they sound?)

I am also struck by the venemous name-calling, despite many positive comments to the contrary by various (brave, imo) Freepers who have been greatly helped through Chiropractic. Way too many have been helped for it to be merely some placebo effect.

Ironically, IIRC, Ronaldus Magnus was a staunch supporter of Chiropractic, having worked at the radio station in Davenport, where he famously announced the football game as if he were present, providing sound effects, etc.

Sadly, I think it's agenda driven.....much like the libs in their lust for power....where agenda trumps reality, truth, and that which is good. And you know we get a whole bunch of calling evil "good", and good "evil", from libs. Human nature.

20 posted on 01/26/2005 5:16:23 AM PST by 1john2 3and4
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