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A CONVERSATION WITH JANET GOLDEN Sorting Out Ambivalence Over Alcohol and Pregnancy
NY Times ^ | January 25, 2005 | JAN HOFFMAN

Posted on 01/25/2005 4:59:19 PM PST by neverdem

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1 posted on 01/25/2005 4:59:20 PM PST by neverdem
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"The symptoms included diminished I.Q., small stature, flat face and drooping eyelids."


So that's what happened to me!

Wine Spectator had an article about drinking wine during pregnancy afew years back, and a study that they cited found that women who drank a glass of wine or two a week during pregnancy actually had easier pregnancies and fewer complications than women who abstained entirely.

Granted, this is correlation and not causation, but it leads one to believe that light alcohol consumption during pregnancy is not the horrible thing that we are being led to believe by the handwringing bedwetters of the world.


2 posted on 01/25/2005 5:11:52 PM PST by Altamira (Get the UN out of the US, and the US out of the UN!)
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To: neverdem
when women arrived at the hospital in premature labor, they were often handed a vodka and orange juice or given alcohol intravenously.

I often think of things like this when anti-Chiropractic stuff gets spewed.

3 posted on 01/25/2005 5:12:11 PM PST by 1john2 3and4
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Fetal Alcohol Syndrome is a real and serious problem, but it's caused by multiple bottles of vodka, not by a glass of wine.


4 posted on 01/25/2005 5:15:24 PM PST by Tax-chick (Wielder of the Dread Words of Power, "Bless your heart, honey!")
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To: neverdem

I had a cousin in law with Down's because his mother had been a lush all during the pregnancy..
It's hardly worth it to risk your baby's health over a drink. If you need one that bad, you have more problems than you know.


5 posted on 01/25/2005 5:26:58 PM PST by Awestruck (The artist formerly known as Goodie D)
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To: neverdem
And women are reluctant to enter treatment, because they have to put their other children in foster care and they're not sure they will get them back.

Oh. I guess she's talking about "single" drunk moms with "no immediate" family except for her fatherless children. Is that what she means?

FMCDH(BITS)

6 posted on 01/25/2005 5:27:59 PM PST by nothingnew (Kerry is gone...perhaps to Lake Woebegone)
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but it's caused by multiple bottles of vodka, not by a glass of wine.

I agree, but more often than not it's beer and cheap alcohol because it's usually younger and uneducated woman that contribute to the syndrome.

7 posted on 01/25/2005 5:29:02 PM PST by lindor (If con is the opposite of pro, is Congress the opposite of Progress?)
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8 posted on 01/25/2005 5:37:00 PM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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Beer by itself probably doesn't have enough alcohol. Beer and some kind of cheap grain liquor ... blech!


9 posted on 01/25/2005 5:38:36 PM PST by Tax-chick (Wielder of the Dread Words of Power, "Bless your heart, honey!")
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Beer has plenty of alcohol in a 12oz container. A common misconception is that beer is not as strong as liquor and by serving, it is.
10 posted on 01/25/2005 5:56:03 PM PST by lindor (If con is the opposite of pro, is Congress the opposite of Progress?)
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Good point on the serving size ... I don't drink beer, so I wasn't thinking in those terms.


11 posted on 01/25/2005 5:58:04 PM PST by Tax-chick (Wielder of the Dread Words of Power, "Bless your heart, honey!")
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Standard servings of beer, wine and spirits -- a 12-ounce can of beer, a 5-ounce glass of wine and a cocktail with 1 1/2-ounces of 80-proof spirits -- all contain the same amount of absolute alcohol.

It's the total amount that counts.

12 posted on 01/25/2005 6:08:48 PM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem

Very true.


13 posted on 01/25/2005 6:12:53 PM PST by Tax-chick (Wielder of the Dread Words of Power, "Bless your heart, honey!")
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To: neverdem
I've come across many alcoholics who say something like.......I can't be an alcoholic because I only drink beer.

Thanks for posting that information.

14 posted on 01/25/2005 6:28:35 PM PST by lindor (If con is the opposite of pro, is Congress the opposite of Progress?)
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To: 1john2 3and4

Interesting comment. I'm married to a Chiropractor and
have been astonished at the anti Chiro venom on FR - one of
my favorite web sites.

What's up with that?


15 posted on 01/25/2005 6:33:22 PM PST by Lesforlife ("For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb . . ." Psalm 139:13)
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To: Awestruck
I had a cousin in law with Down's because his mother had been a lush all during the pregnancy..

You are in the stone age dear. Down's syndrome is a chromosomal aberration that has absolutely NOTHING to do with alcohol consumption. It's more dependent on simply the age of the mother. the condition of her eggs with age or sometimes just the hand nature deals you.

As far as I know, science has never found a link to pregnant based alcoholic behavior and Downs. S##t happens.

Alcohol abuse is harmful to a fetus but Down's syndrome isn't the outcome.

16 posted on 01/25/2005 7:30:06 PM PST by lizma
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To: Lesforlife
I haven't run across any of that yet - been here since 2000.

But after having a headache for 3 months and being told to "take more tylenol" by my internal medicine dr., I found a chiropractor and got better.

My mom remembers driving a friend to a chiropractor for several trips and then arriving one day to find he'd been arrested for practicing. He was later released and resumed his practice.

17 posted on 01/25/2005 7:35:54 PM PST by Tuscaloosa Goldfinch (THANK YOU LORD -- John Kerry is still just a senator.)
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Fetal Alcohol Syndrome is a real and serious problem, but it's caused by multiple bottles of vodka, not by a glass of wine.

Amen

18 posted on 01/25/2005 7:52:42 PM PST by Nov3 ("This is the best election night in history." --DNC chair Terry McAuliffe Nov. 2,2004 8p.m.)
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To: neverdem
If you're diagnosed with diabetes, the doctor can say: "I can send you to a diabetes center with a specialist

But the specialist cannot make the woman compliant with the recommended treatment. My husband sees pregnant diabetics who refuse to take care of themselves properly. They are not just putting themselves at risk, they are putting their babies at risk. Like women who drink, it can be very difficult to get some women to do what is right for the baby.

19 posted on 01/25/2005 8:38:07 PM PST by knuthom
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To: Lesforlife
Seems like ignorance & resistance to change is not the sole province of liberals. (ever notice just how like libs they sound?)

I am also struck by the venemous name-calling, despite many positive comments to the contrary by various (brave, imo) Freepers who have been greatly helped through Chiropractic. Way too many have been helped for it to be merely some placebo effect.

Ironically, IIRC, Ronaldus Magnus was a staunch supporter of Chiropractic, having worked at the radio station in Davenport, where he famously announced the football game as if he were present, providing sound effects, etc.

Sadly, I think it's agenda driven.....much like the libs in their lust for power....where agenda trumps reality, truth, and that which is good. And you know we get a whole bunch of calling evil "good", and good "evil", from libs. Human nature.

20 posted on 01/26/2005 5:16:23 AM PST by 1john2 3and4
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