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Pic of the USS San Francisco

Posted on 01/25/2005 2:29:55 PM PST by submarinerswife

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KEYWORDS: bubbleheads; looksjustlikearedx; squid; usn; usssanfrancisco
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To: ross_poldark
Nice view of Fort Mason. Oh, the heavy cruiser looks good, too! This picture depicts the San Francisco's return from the war, I take it?

Make that Ft Point, under the south tower of the Golden Gate Bridge. Ft Mason is a couple of miles East, just before one gets to fisherman's wharf.

Can't speak to whether or not that's the cruiser San Francisco, but the looks of her seem appropriate.

121 posted on 01/25/2005 7:47:43 PM PST by IonImplantGuru (PhD, School of Hard Knocks)
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To: Josef1235
Iowa-Class Battleship?

No, heavy cruiser. Built at Mare Island Naval Shipyard in the 1930s. Here's a photo, same vintage as the painting, of her coming back to Mare Island to repair Battle of Guadacanal damage. Cicles are shell hits on side (Stbd) shown.

122 posted on 01/25/2005 8:04:37 PM PST by IonImplantGuru (PhD, School of Hard Knocks)
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To: Bob
Looking forward from aboard the boat, the far side in the picture is the port side (they call it that because that's the side they always tie to the pier).

Ahh, another nautical lore afficianado! In olden days, that was indeed the necessary side to tie up on. Why? Because the starboard (right) side was the 'steering board' (get it??) side and a skipper didn't want to damage his steering board (rudder in modern usage) banging it into the typically stone quays in ports of the period. So he'd moor on the non-starboard (or port) side.

123 posted on 01/25/2005 8:13:50 PM PST by IonImplantGuru (PhD, School of Hard Knocks)
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To: Darksheare

Bump


124 posted on 01/25/2005 8:16:05 PM PST by Valin (Sometimes you're the bug, and sometimes you're the windshield)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
Thanks for the clarifications. As I said, it was a bit speculation on my part.

Imagine a depth charge going off (1000 lbs equivalent of TNT) going off a few feet away from the hull.

No thank you. If one goes off that close, I know darned right well that the fuse was set way too short when we dropped it. :=)

125 posted on 01/25/2005 8:35:13 PM PST by Bob
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To: Bob
This is speculation on my part but I'd have to think that the sonar dome absorbed the bulk of the impact and that the pressure hull wasn't torn up. I'll have to defer to the people who would know to correct me if I'm wrong on this.

You are APPROXIMATELY correct. On the LA class, the pressure hull (aka 'the people tank') is behind both the sonar dome (bow) and the forward ballast tanks (1 A & B through 3 A & B).

The photo seems to show that - at least topside - the ballast tanks are not crushed... however the sonar dome is history. My understanding from previous threads is that portions of the forward-most ballast tanks are 'accordioned' below the surface, so that is a big deal... and the reason why she rides 'bow low' in the water.

As to other posts that say she is 'toast' and will be decommisioned, I wouldn't want to be premature. Ballast tanks and a new sonar sphere/dome are perfectly doable at 'reasonable cost'. However if the pressure hull itself has been deformed, then all bets are off.

- Old time sub guy

126 posted on 01/25/2005 8:45:32 PM PST by IonImplantGuru (PhD, School of Hard Knocks)
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To: IonImplantGuru
Somebody said she's recently refueled. I'd tie her up, use her as the next nuke training boat.

No sense training on a 637 class boat for 688 (S6G) crews.

(Port side MBT's are shredded according to the photo. sonar array, sonar electronics, torpedo tubes (alignment, tanks, impellers, HP air rams, TT slides and hydraulic rams, TT doors, outside TT covers, ..... It would not be only pressure hull "ripples" that they'ed be replacing.
127 posted on 01/25/2005 8:58:33 PM PST by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but Kerry's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: BenLurkin
Thank God the boat and crew returned to port.

The entire circumstances of the accident may never be known -- but, in this landlubber's opinion, the captain and crew deserve recognition for saving the boat.

I agree with you 100%. Hitting an uncharted underwater mountain is not grounds for re-assignment for the captain IMHO. But rules are rules.

128 posted on 01/26/2005 4:33:51 AM PST by Arrowhead1952
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To: Truth666

I'd like to take some scuba gear and dive under the sub to see the extent of the damage.I bet the hull is kinked in the middle.


129 posted on 01/26/2005 5:48:20 AM PST by painter (We celebrate liberty which comes from God not from government.)
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To: judicial meanz; submarinerswife; PogySailor; chasio649; gobucks; Bottom_Gun; Dog Gone; HipShot; ...
Here's another photo I hadn't seen posted yet. It appears to be a continuing scan aft from the pic that is the subject of this thread. In the background of Apra Harbor, you can see (I believe) USS CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI, USS HOUSTON and the sub tender USS FRANK CABLE.

The prone guy in the harness is apparently removing anechoic panels, maybe to provide weld points for ??? The cofferdam being worked on topside is to facilitate weapons offload as I understand it. Note the airhoses connected to the MBT vents; the overall bubble looks to be closer to standard surface condition - maybe there have been some patches to damaged MBTs, at least 2B? There is no air connected to MBT 1A/B, so I guess they are kaput. Finally, if you scan down the side of the hull on a line even with the visible (#2A & B?) MBT vents it seems to me you can see some wrinkling of the outer hull of the MBT. (For those non-submariners reading this, we're NOT talking about wrinkling of the pressure hull, or 'people tank'.)

130 posted on 01/26/2005 10:12:57 AM PST by IonImplantGuru (PhD, School of Hard Knocks)
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To: IonImplantGuru
My memories of Apra Harbor include the USS Proteus and a bunch of Boomers.

And once again, Deck Gang gets the "fun" jobs. At least he can trust his shipmates.

131 posted on 01/26/2005 10:29:09 AM PST by SmithL (Whiskey Tango Foxtrot)
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To: SmithL
Me too! USS Daniel Boone, SSBN-629 (B). 4 patrols as an RO, 1966 - 1968. Guam wasn't a ton of fun, but off-crews in Oahu sure beat out the Atlantic boomer option.

Remember Andy's Shack, the on-base beer joint? Dodging water buffaloes to get to the Acey-Deucy club up on the hill?

And speaking of deck gangs, I did deck ape thing when I qualified on Scamp. But what a blast to drive that hot rod when underway!

132 posted on 01/26/2005 11:25:43 AM PST by IonImplantGuru (PhD, School of Hard Knocks)
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To: IonImplantGuru

Thanks for the ping.

Seeing the boat and that green water makes me homesick. :-)

There are definitely wrinkles up forward on the MBTs as you have stated.

rddesigns has a couple of other good pics. Thanks for the link.


133 posted on 01/26/2005 11:29:45 AM PST by El Gran Salseron ( The replies by this poster are meant for self-amusement only. Read at your own risk. :-))
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To: Doohickey

ohh my *LOL* they still sell that shirt in some of the corner stores here in Groton!


134 posted on 01/26/2005 11:32:20 AM PST by Bottom_Gun (Crush depth dummy)
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To: Truth666
Tied to the dock, I have been inside the dome that is now missing. Inside the dome is the sonar sphere. The sphere if still there is under the water. I have been inside the sonar dome underway. This picture is really scary to me.
135 posted on 01/26/2005 11:33:51 AM PST by bmwcyle (Washington DC RINO Hunting Guide)
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To: IonImplantGuru

They're probably installing a belly-band over the MBT grates and whatever damage on the port side.


136 posted on 01/26/2005 12:51:54 PM PST by Doohickey ("This is a hard and dirty war, but when it's over, nothing will ever be too difficult again.”)
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To: IonImplantGuru

Gawd, check out the wrinking on the starboard side, under the MBT-1 vents. Yeow!


137 posted on 01/26/2005 12:58:48 PM PST by Doohickey ("This is a hard and dirty war, but when it's over, nothing will ever be too difficult again.”)
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To: IonImplantGuru
I know I'll get flamed for this but i'll post anyway out of curiosity.

I'm a retired army guy. I know each of our services have their own traditions, etc., but it rankles me that in the picture we have the enlisted guys working hard and the officer just standing around "supervising."

In the army, officers lead by doing, not by standing around with their thumb up their a.. I've always wondered why things are so different in the navy. Once, when I was TDY at Ft. Monroe, I went to the Norfolk Navy yard and took a tour of the Teddy Rosevelt. Really interesting seeing a carrier up close. What i found most remarkable was that when i started chating with some enlisted guys below deck, they were amazed that an army officer would even talk to them! I thought wow, the navy really is different.

Later in my career, i lived in quarters on a base used by all the services. My next door neighbor was a navy fighter pilot on a tour away from the fleet (never knew what he did). The guy didn't have a clue about how to relate to other people (though i'm sure he was a good pilot) and seemed to have a rather high opinion of himself. Course I was pretty happy to have him shovel my walk after he lost our bet on the outcome of the army-navy game.

Flame away folks,

/rant

138 posted on 01/26/2005 1:19:46 PM PST by OldCorps
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To: OldCorps
Just a few more comments:

Like most americans who love their country, I'm very impressed with the way the Navy was able to so quickly recover this sub and minimize casualties.

Also, being a landlubber, I'm very impressed these things could go 30+ knots underwater. To me, that almost defies the laws of physics. Must be an incredibly powerful powerplant on those subs.

139 posted on 01/26/2005 1:27:33 PM PST by OldCorps
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To: OldCorps

"Nothing" is exacly what we want O-Division doing because if they tried to "something" they'd be in the way. :)

Seriously, there is a long standing and necessary division between officers and men on ships which stems for the need for absolute authority when underway.


140 posted on 01/26/2005 1:45:10 PM PST by Doohickey ("This is a hard and dirty war, but when it's over, nothing will ever be too difficult again.”)
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