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Imam Advises Muslims to Lie on US Citizenship Oath of Allegiance
ask-Imam.com ^ | 1/25/05 | ask-imam.com,

Posted on 01/25/2005 2:14:08 PM PST by Mark Felton

This is from a Muslim website. The website explains Islam and answers questions for Muslims and potential new Muslims about their religion.

Unlike Christianity, Islam is a religion and a political system. Shari'ah law is the Islamic law which replaces and supercedes the US law and the US Constitution.

Faithful Muslims must be faithful to Shari'ah and seek implentation of Shari'ah over people of all faiths.

Ask the Imam Online Q & A with Mufti Ebrahim Desai

In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Ask-Imam.com > Islamic Politics > Question 8471 from United States 



To become a citizen of US one has to take an oath of allegiance. is it ok to take the oath.

The oath of allegiance is as follows: I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God. They also ask on the citizenship form the following questions: If the law requires it, are you willing to bear arms on behalf of US? If the law requires it, are you willing to perform noncombatant service in the US Armed Forces? If the law requires it, are you willing to perform work of national importance under civilian direction? My question is can we answer yes to these questions? is there anything wrong in doing that. what should the answer be: yes or no? could you please kindly give an urgent answer. jazakallah.

Answer 8471

2003-04-25

As Muslims, we are duty bound to follow our lives strictly according to Shari’ah. Whatever Shari’ah allows us to do, we will abide by that and whatever Shari’ah has restricted us from, we will refrain from it. Hence, we are not allowed to obey anybody if it is resulting in the disobedience of the Creator, Allah. Nabi (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) said, ‘There is no obedience for the creation by disobeying the Creator.’ (Mirqaat vol.7 pg.217; Imdadiyyah).

Hence, keeping this in mind if one is forced to sign the above in order to become a citizen or the only way of attaining citizenship is by acknowledging the above, then one may sign it with the intention that Shari’ah and Deen will always be his yardstick and that he will never sacrifice any of the teachings of Deen.



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To: Mark Felton

It is very alarming that CAIR is given such white glove treatment by the MSM and FNC.

IN all seriousness I am very surprised CAIR has not been classed with other hate groups.


141 posted on 01/25/2005 5:47:39 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: Middle-O-Road

There's a pattern that happens, as they grow in strength. Let me spell it out for you.

1) Immigrate as "peaceful" people
2) Set up isolated and insulated Muslim-only communities
3) Demand conformity with Sharia under the guise of "equal rights"
4) Use violence to intimidate and to do damage to nearby infidel groups, driving them off the land
5) Achieve superiority in numbers
6) Move openly to exterminate/enslave the infidels in the name of jihad
7) Establish Islamic state

We're just entering step 4 in the USA. Most of Europe is seeing them work on step 5. By step 6, you get what you see in Israel, Kashmir, the Sudan, Nigeria, Indonesia, etc., open genocides of the non-Muslims. Step 7, the ultimate goal, is what they had in Afghanistan, and still have in Saudi Arabia, much of Pakistan, and in Iran.


142 posted on 01/25/2005 5:48:23 PM PST by thoughtomator (Favorite Dish: Spotted Owl Teriyaki)
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To: Middle-O-Road

Did you read any of the links I posted?

Islam is the only religion on the face of the earth that not only endorse, but COMMANDS the killing of those who disagree.

Your "peaceful muslim" neighbor will kill your children and rape your women in front of your eyes, then slowly kill you, if told to by his Iman.

Read the links. This is not an incosidered opinion. Read the accursed Qu'ran (may 1,000 donkeys and camels crap upon it daily).

Islam is an intolerant ideology that was founded by a pedophile who saw the advantage of calling itself a "religion."


143 posted on 01/25/2005 5:49:50 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Don't bring a moped to a car fight)
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To: thoughtomator

Yes, please. If what you are saying is true, and there are muslims waiting to pounce who appear to be normal "citizens" AND the President knows this, isn't it his DUTY to warn us all of the imminent danger?


144 posted on 01/25/2005 5:49:50 PM PST by notigar
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To: Middle-O-Road

Whoah! I just re-read that... Israel is the cause of terrorism in your view, eh?

So what explains Islamic terrorism against the Jews before the state of Israel was established?

What explains the Islamic alliance with the Nazis in World War II, before the state of Israel was established?

And is there any reason I shouldn't immediately dismiss you as a Jew-hater after a comment like that?


145 posted on 01/25/2005 5:50:03 PM PST by thoughtomator (Favorite Dish: Spotted Owl Teriyaki)
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To: notigar

Not if the warning increases the danger, no. Best that the enemy be unawares of exactly how aware we are of their intentions.


146 posted on 01/25/2005 5:51:30 PM PST by thoughtomator (Favorite Dish: Spotted Owl Teriyaki)
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To: thoughtomator

"Not if the warning increases the danger, no. Best that the enemy be unawares of exactly how aware we are of their intentions."

Well, you're doing a pretty bad job of keeping a lid on our "knowledge" then aren't you?


147 posted on 01/25/2005 5:54:40 PM PST by notigar
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To: Middle-O-Road

During war these things are necessary. For the most part the American Japanese were interred because they were sending money back to Japan to finance our enemy. Those who didn't had to be included. Yes, American Japanese men fought for this country in the war, and valiantly. You obviously were not alive during this horrendous time period, at least not in America, or perhaps you could better understand.

It is sort of like the old tested and true method of quarantine to prevent the spread of disease.


148 posted on 01/25/2005 5:56:07 PM PST by Paperdoll (GO ROSSI!!!!!)
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To: Mark Felton

John Gibson on Fox tonight mentioned that Britain was kicking out mullahs with a record of preaching hate and violence. Germany and France are also throwing out Muslim whackos. When will the US follow suit?


149 posted on 01/25/2005 5:56:17 PM PST by hershey
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To: hershey

when we get rid of the 1st amendment.


150 posted on 01/25/2005 5:57:55 PM PST by notigar
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To: Middle-O-Road

The there a difference. This advice is basically saying to take the oath with intent to violate the oath.

The 10 comandment example is taking the oath with the intent that the oath (or affirmation to some) is in compliance.

The moslem/islam religion is just as much politics as religion. It is specificly against freedom of religion. (conversion by sword)

What I am curious about is why is CAIR suddenly a "race"? You can't convert to a race. You can convert to and from a religion.


151 posted on 01/25/2005 5:58:48 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: notigar

No, there are so many opinions in the USA that the jihadis won't be able to figure out which is the right one. They believe we are too soft to oppose them effectively, that's why they chose to start the war.


152 posted on 01/25/2005 5:59:35 PM PST by thoughtomator (Favorite Dish: Spotted Owl Teriyaki)
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To: thoughtomator

You're making assumptions again.

I didn't say that I don't support Israel, I said that terrorism arose with the state of Israel.

Go back and read your history. Terrorism started when the Jews and Muslims were fighting over land in Palestine.

The reason why the Arabs aligned with the Nazis is because France controlled half the ME, and the Nazis controlled France.

Jeez - read a book.


153 posted on 01/25/2005 6:00:17 PM PST by Middle-O-Road (In favor of blowing all terrorists to China, via other hotter places where they'll linger a while.)
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To: thoughtomator

Then don't the President's pro-Muslim statements contribute to the view that we are "soft"?


154 posted on 01/25/2005 6:02:01 PM PST by notigar
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To: Middle-O-Road

Islam's very goal is counter to the US Constitution and prevailing laws. They've already committed countless acts of violence, including mass murder on US soil. Yhe Koran tells them they get a free pass to heaven and 72 virgins or raisins if they murder the infidel...which happens to be the rest of us. And I've yet to see Muslim bake sales for the victims of these acts of violence. Instead, dead silence -- that would be New Jersey where if you speak up, you're dead -- or cheering from neighborhood mosques.


155 posted on 01/25/2005 6:03:09 PM PST by hershey
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To: Paperdoll

Think again. Most see it after the fact as a mistake.

See this web site:

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/8420/main.html


156 posted on 01/25/2005 6:04:36 PM PST by Middle-O-Road (In favor of blowing all terrorists to China, via other hotter places where they'll linger a while.)
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To: Middle-O-Road
Well, you're just displaying your ignorance again. Even considering the narrow case of modern Islamic terrorism against Jews, this can be traced back at least to 1921 - long before the state of Israel was established... to say nothing of the Armenian genocide (1.5 million Christians exterminated) which preceeded that by only a few years.
157 posted on 01/25/2005 6:07:36 PM PST by thoughtomator (Favorite Dish: Spotted Owl Teriyaki)
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To: notigar

Yep, which helps keep our boys alive by encouring the enemy to underestimate us.


158 posted on 01/25/2005 6:08:17 PM PST by thoughtomator (Favorite Dish: Spotted Owl Teriyaki)
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To: hershey
Yhe Koran tells them they get a free pass to heaven and 72 virgins or raisins

I vote for raisins. I'll give 'em a box now and they can be done with Jihad.

Jeez, how did I get to be the defender of Muslims on this board? I'm tired for now, and since I'm not a Muslim, I'm not strongly enough compelled to continue the discussion tonight.

We'll pick it up later.

159 posted on 01/25/2005 6:09:24 PM PST by Middle-O-Road (In favor of blowing all terrorists to China, via other hotter places where they'll linger a while.)
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To: thoughtomator

Muslims believe that it is proper to lie even to accomplish Allah's purpose. It is a religion that requires one to earn his salvation.........what a terrible treadmill to live on! They know nothing of God's grace.


160 posted on 01/25/2005 6:10:24 PM PST by Doctor Don
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