Posted on 01/24/2005 10:20:14 AM PST by jmc813
i'm talking about political reality ... philosophically/ideally I AGREE with you.
I never said overnight. And I am unwilling to give up the fight just as we are making small progress.
It is not the topic and you are a female.
LucyLibertarian
And you are a liberal troll. And you are a youngster who has pertended to be someone else, probably you are using your father's job experience to imitate him. Nice try.
And you will be leaving this forum soon. Each post shows your true colors.
Calling Bush a crook is a sure way to get the boot.
Protagoras has repeatedly pinged me and FReepmailed me to threads supposedly for an education in Social Security but when I respond to specific items in the threads he calls me a liar resorts to juvenile name calling and refuses to answer questions directly instead he responds with generalities while claiming he has answered the questions. I have also observed him using the same tactics on others.
He/She has repeatedly threatened me for disagreeing with him. I do not feel that I have done anything that is over the line but if I have done so please let me know.
LucyLibertarian
Lucy was my Grandmother and she was my guiding influence in creating my political philosophy. She was raised in the Texas Panhandle. She later raised three children on her own through the Depression on a homestead claim in Oklahoma. That was a very hard life and it forged a very strong libertarian political philosophy. But it also made her highly aware of the realities of life and of government.
Her initials were LPM and 1888 was the year of her birth. You might note that the year is 1888 not 1988.
I chose her initials as a screen-name to honor her influence and memory. I made that quite clear when I requested the name change that I was doing so to honor my Grandmother.
She was definitely what today would be called a libertarian and was politically active but she also was very aware of the stabilizing effect that the Social Security program had on America.
Some of the things that she taught me that pertain to the Social Security discussions are as follows.
1. The Depression was caused by speculation in the Stock Market. Speculation is akin to gambling and you don't want your security tied up with something that is essentially a gamble. Private Investment accounts are essentially a gamble with everyones retirement financial security.
2. After the Depression America was in deep trouble, the separation between the rich and the poor had reached the point that many people were losing hope and beginning to consider other forms of government. If you will search your history books you will find that the Communist party was gaining in strength at that time. After the Social Security program was created that influence began to wain. If the Social Security system is weakened the American Government will fall under the control of the first party to offer the American voters a check.
3. Never ever trust a politician especially when they tell you they are going to help you. Even if their intentions are honorable they will screw it up anyway.
Ron Paul is the only politician I have seen in a long time who is honest about what he has to say. It is very refreshing but he also is very ineffective. Washington has become so corrupted that he doesn't have a chance.
I have made it quite clear in the past that I do not trust any politicians. I am not attacking President Bush but I am very aware of the corrupting effect financial influences have on Washington.
I will not change my political philosophy to please you or anyone else.
My Father passed away in 1959 when I was 8 years old and I am male. The background I have stated is definitely my own.
Would you also like to debate the application of high speed networking to Energy Management Systems or how about the design of Emergency Load Shed Systems. My consulting fee for those services begins at $125.00 per hour plus expenses but for you I'll make a special exception.
Here is the how I believe that Social Security should be reformed:
1. Pass a Constitutional Amendment that imposes a tariff on imported manufactured goods and services. The funds from this tariff must be strictly applied to the Social Security system. The same Amendment must prohibit the commingling of the General Fund and the Social Security program. The Tariff should be set at a rate such that the Trust Fund will be on a fiscally sound basis within 10 years.
This will serve two functions; It will begin to stop the hemorrhaging of middle class jobs from our Nation. It will also create an incentive to restore our manufacturing base. This is critical to our national defense particularly with the increasing threat from China.
2. In five years when the Social Security trust fund is sound then make available 2% of the Trust Fund for investment by an independent panel of financial experts. The best way to create this panel would be to have one University from each state appoint one person to an advisory board that would then be responsible for appointing a panel of twelve financial experts who would have the actual control of the investments.
POLITICIANS MUST NOT HAVE CONTROL OVER EITHER PANEL.
That will limit the effect of corrupting influences on this panel.
3. When the investment fund has doubled the original investment then the original 2% of the Social Security Trust is returned to the trust fund and the investment group is free to continue the investments. If the board ever loses all of the original investment then the board is disbanded and then the fund is discontinued permanently.
If the investment fund reaches 10 times the original investment then everyones individual and corporate taxes are decreased propoprtinaly to the amount over that base investment amount. Those decreases in taxes are made available for 401K programs.
If the investment fund is successful then everyone benefits through decreased taxes. If it fails we still have the base Social Security Trust Fund to maintain our National stability.
This plan is superior to other plans that I have seen discussed for the following reasons.
1. It does not create a debt to be paid by our children.
2. It does not weaken or threaten the stabilizing influence that the Social Security program has had on America.
3. It helps curb the hemorrhaging of middle class jobs and manufacturing capacity from America.
4. If the Investment Fund is successful it would eventually reduce or eliminate all Social Security taxes while encouraging private retirement accounts. 5. IT DOES NOT INCREASE THE NATIONAL DEBT.
If my political philosophy does not meet some Conservative purity test so be it. I am not changing it to please Protagoras or anyone else.
Everything you have posted since you said President Bush was paying back political contibutors with SS money has fallen on deaf ears.
When you come on a conservative website and push liberal propaganda you won't make many friends.
1. Improve Social Security without increasing the National Debt.
2. Stop the hemorrhaging of middle class jobs.
3. Strengthen our national manufacturing capacity.
4. Eventually reduce or eliminate, Social Security taxes.
5. Eventually allow private investment accounts.
6. Insuring that we have a national nest egg stuck away for hard times.
7. Remove control of Social Security investments from the hands of politicians and corporate influences.
BTW, don't ever send me freepmail again, you have something to say, say it here on the forum. Or over at DU where you normally post.
My family is very proud of our roots. It is the definitive example of an American Pioneer family. We are an example of how hard work, perseverance and freedom can pay off. Perhaps you are not familiar with the history of the Oklahoma Land Rushes or the Pioneers who settled in Indian Territory, if so I would highly suggest that you discover those periods of American history. It will give you a much better understanding of what it really means to be libertarian.
Would you please explain why that would choke you up.
They ignored you the last time and if you continue I'm sure they will be very impressed with your continuation of the very thing you were crying about.
Please do not post to me anymore and again please stop sending me freepmail. This is pathetic.
Nah. They're waiting for Big Government Bush to "fix" a Ponzi scheme.
Good luck with that.
He makes too much sense to suit the tastes of most people on this forum.
This is the last response I will make to you unless you respond to one of my posts first. Goodbye
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