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HOW AMERICANS WERE SEDUCED BY WAR (Historical Revisionist Barf Alert)
Chronicles Magazine ^ | 21 Jan 2005 | Paul Craig Roberts

Posted on 01/23/2005 5:13:14 PM PST by Cornpone

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1 posted on 01/23/2005 5:13:15 PM PST by Cornpone
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Do you think anybody was talking about the Holocaust as a reason to fight WWII? Was anybody in the North talking about abolishing slavery as a reason to fight the civil war?
The fact is, when you are successful history remembers you kindly. We MUST succeed in Iraq. If we do, people won't remember the Weapons of Mass Destruction stuff (unless liberals are that successful at revising history).


2 posted on 01/23/2005 5:16:58 PM PST by mowkeka
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They have been misinformed by a sycophantic corporate media too mindful of advertising revenues to risk reporting truths branded unpatriotic by the propagandistic slogan, "you are with us or against us."
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Is this Half Wit referring to the MSM?!!! All I have to say is at least it wasn't 72 Virgins that look like Janet Reno and Helen Thomas!!


3 posted on 01/23/2005 5:17:08 PM PST by 26lemoncharlie (Sit nomen Dómini benedíctum,Ex hoc nunc, et usque in sæculum! per ómnia saecula saeculórum)
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To: Cornpone
'Paul Craig Roberts'. Don't know where I've heard that name, but it does cause an instinctive clenching of my colon.


4 posted on 01/23/2005 5:18:45 PM PST by Viking2002 (Screw the two-party system. We have enough 'diversity' on our side of the aisle.)
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"American hubris, which flows so freely from President Bush's mouth, explains why half the U.S. population yawns over the U.S. slaughter of Iraqi civilians and communist-style torture of Iraqi prisoners"

The latest in talking points.

I know I just love the fact that our soldiers are taking hostages for ransom or just hacking off their captives heads and selling the dvds over on ebayislam for big dollars.

5 posted on 01/23/2005 5:21:38 PM PST by pipecorp (I am, therefore, I think...so, what happens when I'm done thinking ?)
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Yep, if you succeed - even if you broke a few rule or fudged a few numbers... if the result is expanded freedom and liberty - only the intellectually dishonest would attempt to spin the truth to make a crime out of an act of compassion.


6 posted on 01/23/2005 5:22:42 PM PST by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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Sooner or later, Americans will realize that they have been led to defeat.

Only if liberals get there way, and manufacture a defeat!

I give them credit for persistence -- they never give up.

But they don't understand the mettle of the American people, and all freedom-loving people around the world.

7 posted on 01/23/2005 5:22:48 PM PST by 68skylark
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Never mind that Islam had declared war on US in the 80s, that doesn't count.

..."... Islam inherited the role of godless communism and became the target of the war against evil."...


8 posted on 01/23/2005 5:23:22 PM PST by jolie560
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Is it just me .. or has anybody else noticed the number of stories from all over the place regarding what a horrible mistake Iraq has been ..??

And .. always it includes the "facts" that we were betrayed (ala Gore), or we were misled (ala Kennedy/Kerry).

To me it appears these people are just trying to set themselves in a position to say "I told you so" if the elections in Iraq should go bad.


9 posted on 01/23/2005 5:24:17 PM PST by CyberAnt (Where are the dem supporters? - try the trash cans in back of the abortion clinics.)
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Oh yes, America will mourn Saddam's passing. That's one basic fact that they can't spin, this is a dictator that truly deserved what he got.


10 posted on 01/23/2005 5:24:52 PM PST by Brett66 (W1 W1 W1 W1 W1 W1 W1 W1)
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To: Cornpone
Paul Craig Roberts is, by profession, an economist. He was a big-time supply-sider, and a reliable conservative.

He's been off the reservation since 9/11 and, like another economist by the name of Paul (Krugman), has come unhinged in his criticisms of Bush.

11 posted on 01/23/2005 5:25:15 PM PST by sinkspur ("How dare you presume to tell God what He cannot do" God Himself)
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He's actually a conservative columnist and a member of the Hoover Institute. He mist vbe one of those Buchanan conservatives.


12 posted on 01/23/2005 5:25:48 PM PST by Citizen H.
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political leaders whom they inattentively trusted.

I hate blanket criticisms.

13 posted on 01/23/2005 5:27:03 PM PST by syriacus (Former staunch Democrat - 'til the party + the press manhandled a Judicial Nominee, Clarence Thomas)
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Read the Podhoretz article "The War against World War IV."

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1326828/posts

then read this again.


14 posted on 01/23/2005 5:28:00 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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I think Paul Craig Roberts is remembering history the way he wants, not as it actually happened. Besides the big ones, US Military force was also essential in a number of smaller ones, including Panama and Grenada. When we go into a country to promote freedom and democracy, we will be supported by the people and be able to withdraw without a qualm. If we go into a country for reasons of realpolitik and to suppress the population, we will, in time, lose. Roberts makes it seem that we are on some kind of rampage. We aren't. The targets are carefully chosen, as was Iraq and Afghanistan. Iraq is nothing like Vietnam, nor will it be.




"America's security and the well-being of the world are threatened by America's unwarranted belief in the efficacy of force. War is ungovernable: "The shattered reputations of generals and statesmen who presumed to bring it under control litter the 20th century. On those rare occasions when war has yielded a seemingly decisive outcome, as in 1918 or 1945, it has done so only after exacting a staggering price from victor and vanquished alike. Even then, in resolving one set of problems, 'good' wars have fostered resentments or created temptations, leading as often as not to further conflict."


15 posted on 01/23/2005 5:28:39 PM PST by burster
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"Americans have been betrayed."

Yes, stopping that UN scam Oil for rotten food, was a real big bad betrayal. Forcing that dictator good old Saddam into a 'pit' was betrayal big time.


16 posted on 01/23/2005 5:29:01 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: sinkspur

I've been wondering what happened to Roberts, because reading him has been like watching someone get sick and keep going downhill.


17 posted on 01/23/2005 5:29:56 PM PST by niteowl77
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"Books written about "militant Islam" could equally describe militant evangelical Christianity".......

Although I disagreed with the authors premise, I was following his logic until I got to this quote.

I stopped reading at that point......sorry.

18 posted on 01/23/2005 5:30:46 PM PST by Dazedcat
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So a guy writes a book.

Another guy writes an article promoting a book.

Americans stampede to buy the book from an unknown promoted by another unknown. I realize they have "credentials", but the ordinary American doesn't recognize either of these two.

Americans read it cover to cover.

Suddenly Americans cry uncle and retreat? They scream, "Bush Betrayed this Country!"

And Bush is the one with "Hubris"? ;-)


19 posted on 01/23/2005 5:33:12 PM PST by Soul Seeker
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Only if liberals get there way, and manufacture a defeat!

They did it before.
20 posted on 01/23/2005 5:34:02 PM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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