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He's a worldbeater, all right (Mark Steyn beats up on the Dems!)
Chicago Sun Times ^ | January 23, 2005 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 01/23/2005 4:35:55 AM PST by finnigan2

I picked up the Village Voice for the first time in years this week. Couldn't resist the cover story: ''The Eve Of Destruction: George W. Bush's Four-Year Plan To Wreck The World.''

Oh, dear. It's so easy to raise expectations at the beginning of a new presidential term. But at least he's got a four-year plan. Over on the Democratic bench, worldwise they don't seem to have given things much thought. The differences were especially stark in the last seven days: In the first half of the week, Senate Dems badgered the incoming secretary of state, Condoleezza Rice -- culminating in the decision of West Virginia porkmeister Robert C. Byrd to delay the incoming thereof. Don't ask me why. Byrd, the former Klu Klux Klan Kleagle, is taking a stand over states' rights, or his rights over State, or some such. Whatever the reason, the sight of an old Klansman blocking a little colored girl from Birmingham from getting into her office contributed to the general retro vibe that hangs around the Democratic Party these days. Even "Eve Of Destruction," one notes, is a 40-year-old hippie dirge.

The Democrats' big phrase is "exit strategy." Time and again, their senators demanded that Rice tell 'em what the "exit strategy" for Iraq was. The correct answer is: There isn't one, and there shouldn't be one, and it's a dumb expression. The more polite response came in the president's inaugural address: ''The survival of liberty in our land increasingly depends on the success of liberty in other lands.'' Next week's election in Iraq will go not perfectly but well enough, and in time the number of U.S. troops needed there will be reduced, and in some more time they'll be reduced more dramatically, and one day there'll be none at all, just a small diplomatic presence that functions a bit like the old British ministers did in the Gulf emirates for centuries: They know everyone and everything, and they keep the Iraqi-American relationship running smoothly enough that Baghdad doesn't start looking for other foreign patrons. In other words: no exit.

If you want an example of "exit strategy" thinking, look no further than the southern "border." A century ago, American policy in Mexico was all exit and no strategy. That week's President-for-Life gets out of hand? Go in, whack him, exit, and let the locals figure out who gets to be the new bad guy. If the new guy gets out of hand, go back, whack him and exit again. The result of that stunted policy is that three-quarters of Mexico's population is now living in California and Arizona -- and, as fine upstanding members of the Undocumented-American community, they've got no exit strategy at all.

By contrast, the British went in to India without an "exit strategy," stayed for generations and midwifed the world's most populous democracy and a key U.S. ally in the years ahead. Which looks like the smarter approach now? ''Most Indians Say 'Thumbs Up' To Second Bush Term,'' reported the Christian Science Monitor this week, "and no, that doesn't mean something rude in Indian culture.''

The problem with "exit strategy" fetishization is that these days everywhere's Mexico -- literally, in the sense that four of the 9/11 killers obtained the picture ID they used to board their flights that morning through the support network for "undocumented" workers, and only a few days ago the suspected terrorists supposedly en route to Boston were said to have entered the country via the Mexican smuggling route. But everywhere's also Mexico in the more figurative sense -- if you've got a few hundred bucks and an ATM card you can come to America and blow it up. Everyone lives next door now. Sept. 11 demonstrated that the paradox of America -- the isolationist superpower -- was no longer tenable.

That was what Bush accomplished so superbly in his speech: the idealistic position -- spreading liberty -- is now also the realist one: If you don't spread it, in the end your own liberty will be jeopardized. "It is the policy of the United States," said the president, "to seek and support the growth of democratic movements and institutions in every nation and culture, with the ultimate goal of ending tyranny in our world." By the end of his second term? Well, not necessarily. But what matters is that the president has repudiated the failed "realism" that showers billions on a friendly dictator like Egypt's Mubarak and is then surprised when one of his subjects flies a passenger jet into the World Trade Center.

You'd think the Democratic Party would welcome this: They spent the days after Sept. 11 yakking endlessly about the need to address "root causes." But, as the pitiful displays in the Senate hearing made clear, they still don't comprehend the new world -- abroad or at home. The other day David von Drehle of the Washington Post did a monster tour of what he called "The Red Sea" -- Bush country -- and went to almost painful lengths to eschew the condescension the coastal media elite usually apply to their rare anthropological ventures into the hinterland. But in the middle of his dispatch was this quote from Joyce Smith of Coalgate, Okla.: "When Kerry said he was for abortion and one-sex marriages, I just couldn't see our country being led by someone like that."

Von Drehle added: ''Later, I double-checked what Kerry had said on those subjects. During his campaign, he opposed same-sex marriage and said that abortion was a private matter.''

If the point is that Red Staters are ignorant, double- or even triple-checking John Kerry isn't the best way to demonstrate it. Insofar as I understand it, Kerry's view on abortion was that, while he passionately believes life begins at conception, he would never let his deeply held personal beliefs interfere with his legislative program. On gay marriage, likewise. That's why gay groups backed Kerry and why von Drehle's media buddies weren't running editorials warning that a Kerry presidency would end "a woman's right to choose": They understood his deeply passionately personally deep personal passionate beliefs were just an artful but meaningless formulation designed to get him through election season. Message: If Kerry's elected, abortions will continue and gay marriage will happen and he'll be cool with both. Joyce Smith understood that. Von Drehle seems vaguely resentful that she wasn't dumb enough to fall for the spin cooked up by Kerry's hairsplitters and enthusiastically promoted by his media cheerleaders.

There's a big lesson for the Democrats there that goes way beyond the merits of abortion or gay marriage. On Sept. 11, the world came unspun: There's no shame in acknowledging, as Condi Rice did last week, that previous policy -- Republican and Democrat -- toward the Middle East is wrong. But there's something silly and immature about a party that, from Kerry to Boxer to Byrd, can't get beyond spin, grandstanding and debater's points: Joyce Smith sees through it, even if David von Drehle thinks it's ingenious. If the president's speech yoked idealism and realism, that doesn't leave much for dissenting Dems except their own peculiar combination of cynicism and delusion.


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To: mhking
Whatever the reason, the sight of an old Klansman blocking a little colored girl from Birmingham from getting into her office contributed to the general retro vibe that hangs around the Democratic Party these days.

Ping

81 posted on 01/23/2005 10:10:41 AM PST by Tribune7
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To: cubreporter
President Bush will have four more years...

Yes, he will. But obviously, to be implemented the strategy designed by the Bush administration needs the election 2008 to be won.

Who in the Republican ranks could be a noble and logic continuation of his policy? Who is capable to win the next election?

82 posted on 01/23/2005 12:48:44 PM PST by Neophyte (Nazists, Communists, Islamists... what the heck is the difference?)
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To: dead; finnigan2; Pokey78
Thanks for the posts/ping!

For some reason, this strikes me as amusing...

"Even "Eve Of Destruction," one notes, is a 40-year-old hippie dirge."

Kind of a nifty Steyn summary of what the 21st c. Dem.'s are all about!!

Except, the original article (which I only had the patience to "skim") is downright scary...how delusional can one get?!

83 posted on 01/23/2005 2:05:43 PM PST by 88keys
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To: finnigan2; All

EXIT STRATEGERY = V I C T O R Y


84 posted on 01/23/2005 2:06:29 PM PST by CyberAnt (Where are the dem supporters? - try the trash cans in back of the abortion clinics.)
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To: finnigan2

Wish I could ping Peggy *I left my brain in the New York cold" Noonan to this piece.


85 posted on 01/23/2005 2:35:19 PM PST by GretchenM (It remains to be seen what God will do through a person who gives Him all the glory.)
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To: finnigan2

BTTT


86 posted on 01/23/2005 4:25:58 PM PST by knews_hound (Out of the NIC ,into the Router, out to the Cloud....Nothing but 'Net)
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To: finnigan2
the sight of an old Klansman blocking a little colored girl from Birmingham from getting into her office contributed to the general retro vibe that hangs around the Democratic Party these days. Even "Eve Of Destruction," one notes, is a 40-year-old hippie dirge.

Ouch – that is going to leave a mark!

Just in case no one has done it yet:

Eve of Destruction

by Barry McGuire 1965

The Eastern world, it is explodin', Violence flarin', bullets loadin'. You're old enough to kill, but not for votin', You don't believe in war -- but what's that gun you're totin'? An' even the Jordan river has bodies floatin'. But you tell me, over and over and over again, my friend, Ah, you don't believe we're on the eve of destruction.

Don't you understand what I'm tryin' to say, An' can't you feel the fears I'm feelin' today? If the button is pushed, there's no runnin' away, There'll be no one to save, will the world in a grave. Take a look around you, boy, it's bound to scare you, boy. An' you tell me, over and over and over again, my friend, Ah, you don't believe we're on the eve of destruction.

Yeak, my blood's so mad feels like coagulatin', I'm sittin' here just contemplatin'. I can't twist the truth, it knows no regulation, Handful of senators don't pass legislation, An' marches alone can't bring integration When human respect is disintegratin', This whole crazy world is just too frustratin'. An' you tell me, over and over and over again, my friend, Ah, you don't believe we're on the eve of destruction.

Think of all the hate there is in Red China, Then take a look around to Selma, Alabama. Ah, you may leave here for four days in space, But when you return it's the same ol' place, The poundin' of the drums, the pride an' disgrace. You can bury your dead, but don't leave a trace. Hate your next-door neighbor, but don't forget to say grace, An' tell me, over and over and over again, my friend, You don't believe we're on the eve of destruction, No, no, you don't believe we're on the eve of destruction.

Barry sounded a bit bitter; he was wrong, we weren’t on the eve of destruction – and we are (please God) not now.

87 posted on 01/23/2005 4:41:10 PM PST by Friend of thunder (No sane person wants war, but oppressors want oppression.)
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To: OldFriend

Good for you, wish I had said that.


88 posted on 01/23/2005 4:48:34 PM PST by Friend of thunder (No sane person wants war, but oppressors want oppression.)
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To: MeekOneGOP
Former Klansman Senator Robert Byrd

I have long said that if Byrd had been a Republican that would have been how the MSM would have described him.

89 posted on 01/23/2005 4:54:18 PM PST by Friend of thunder (No sane person wants war, but oppressors want oppression.)
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To: Pokey78
there's something silly and immature about a party that, from Kerry to Boxer to Byrd, can't get beyond spin, grandstanding and debater's points

Could that be why they keep losing?

90 posted on 01/23/2005 9:42:02 PM PST by irv
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To: Brian Allen
.............the world's most populous democracy and a key U.S. ally in the years ahead. Which looks like the smarter approach now? ''Most Indians Say 'Thumbs Up' To Second Bush Term,'' reported the Christian Science Monitor this week, "and no, that doesn't mean something rude in Indian culture.'' >>

Classic Steyn: Two perfect analogies vis-à-vis exit strategy -- and two perfect examples of the same improperly and properly applied!

What a genius -- and, in India -- what a wonderful ally to have whipped out of the former Soviet camp!
 
Uh Huh! But I thought your idea of India is that it is a "mindlessly-violent, abjectly corrupt, systemically-racist and squalidly socialistic state". And you claim that you have travelled the length and breadth of India. So tell me how can a population of "ignorantly, mindlessly and systemically violent enough obscene-rationalization-for-treating-those-you-rob-as-lesser-beings cow-worshipper " possibly be your "wonderful ally "?

91 posted on 01/23/2005 10:35:30 PM PST by Gengis Khan ("There is no glory in incomplete action." -- Gengis Khan)
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To: finnigan2

As usual, Steyn has more sense in his little pinkie than 3/4 of the liberal media.


92 posted on 01/23/2005 10:47:16 PM PST by John Lenin (You have to be a lunatic yourself to appeal to the RAT base)
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To: finnigan2

bookmark


93 posted on 01/23/2005 10:51:22 PM PST by Stand Watch Listen
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To: Gengis Khan

Glad to have attracted your attention, I almost pinged you but decided to instead pray -- and wait and see if your passion and sharp intellect drew you to my post. They did. Good. Perhaps there is -- as I have intuitively believed since you fired your first volley at me -- yet hope for you.

A wider sweep of my many years of 'India comments,' by the way, would have given you a better perspective from which to judge. My critisisms are sometimes a bit jagged around the edges, my delivery-style a bit boorish and my response to personal attack a bit reactionary -- but am a pretty dedicated Indiaphile.

Back to your query: The few previous comments you noted talked to the 1940's India of the Nehru/Mountbatten Gang -- and especially to its simply bloody awful lying, looting thieving and abjectly-corrupt governing elite and "government" -- whose subsequent track record of absolute disaster [Insofar as, say, the quality of life of the Average 1948-2005 Indian is concerned?] speaks much more eloquently for itself than a poor fellow like me could hope to manage.

My remarks here -- which I note you have selectively rearranged and co-mingled with others from here and there [In order, I guess, to create the appearance of "evidence" in support of your own prejudgement and predetermination?] -- talk to the future and to the new post-Nehru-Gang/post-Soviet-camp India which in presently blossoming and which for the first time in more than 50 years draws on the Indian Peoples' enormous resources of intellect and of creativity, innovation, industry and productivity for far too long stifled, strangled, supressed and hamstrung by the mindless bureacratic corruption and red tape that has characterised India's past half century.

Remember that India's GNP only relatively recently overtook that of tiny Singapore whose only resources are of intellect and financial freedom and India's world-class creations, innovations and industries -- even whan added to those of Red-China and as measured by, say US Patents and by SE-NY and Nasdaq Listings -- lag those of tiny Israel.

But overtake Singapore it did -- and both your totalitarian neighbor and tiny Israel had better look out now that India's Peoples' chains are being shrugged off -- and a new generation of politicians are moving your nation's alliances into the Winners Circle.

And are positioning it to become a good friend -- and, in time, a wonderful ally!

Quod Erat Demonstrandum.

N'est ce pas?

<]:^)~<

Blessings -- Brian


94 posted on 01/24/2005 12:36:12 AM PST by Brian Allen (I fly and can therefore be envious of no man -- Per Adua Ad Astra!)
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To: Brian Allen
Wow I am still having trouble beliving what you have written. Till yesterday my impression of you was that, you were a rabid anti-Indian like so many here at FR. And hats off to your superb language skills that I had an abnormally hard time defending my country's position that I had to give up the attempt looking at your obstinately held negativism about India and your salvo of besmirching remarks about Indian people, Indian education and Hindu religion. Till yesterday we (Indians) were not even worthy of being considered your intellectual equal because (according to you) our education has been "colored by systemic racism and blind prejudice" and that which is pass on in the name of education from our "socialist" madrasas is no less than "indoctrination" according to you. I am really unable to figure out the reason for the drastic "change of heart".
 
In any case it has become tiresome and futile for me to defend my country's position at every other India-bashing threads and hence dont mind me getting a little "personal". See...... thanks to your language skills I have even fallen for your deceptive flattery.
 
I still cannot believe if you are the same person that you were yesterday (spewing venom on Indians) or someone else has logged in by yourname. Yet somehow I am not so surprised as this isnt the first time I am seeing someone who sees India and Indians as filth but likes it when the same people declares support for Bush at at time when most other people around the world (including those from countries considered as "unflinching" allies) have shown him the finger. Most people are so ecstatic to see the possibility of having us as allies, no problem with that but wait till the next threads on "outsourcing" comes up. In these threads I get to increase my vocabulary with words like "Apu, Haji, slurpee, 7/11, dunkin doughnut" including one of your favourite "gunga din". And then it moves on to refreshing topics like dots, cows, curry, castism, starving masses and suttee. And then there are those who at the drop of a hat dig Gandhi out of the grave. (You know who I am talking about).
 
This is so typical of the people here at FR that I like to sit back and enjoy watching the hipocracy. Perhaps I should ping my other Indian friends at FR from the previous thread to have a look at your....."change of heart".
 
but now.........its time to be allies right?
 
Je ne sais pas. Qui vivra verra.

95 posted on 01/24/2005 3:52:43 AM PST by Gengis Khan ("There is no glory in incomplete action." -- Gengis Khan)
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To: Pokey78

Thanks for the ping, Pokey!


96 posted on 01/24/2005 4:43:17 AM PST by alwaysconservative (My fingers don't alwasy wrok teh wya thyere spposed too)
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To: Dog Gone
hehe! :^D

Mornin'! I'm back. :^)


97 posted on 01/24/2005 6:04:05 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: Friend of thunder
I have long said that if Byrd had been a Republican that would have
been how the MSM would have described him.

OH, yeah. No doubt about it. Case in point is the way they rode over
Trent Lott over his comments to Strom Thurman at Strom's 100th
birthday.


98 posted on 01/24/2005 6:50:17 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: OldFriend

With regard to Ms. Kopechne ... I think the Senator was more inteested in an entry strategy.


99 posted on 01/26/2005 2:59:30 PM PST by DuncanWaring (...and Freedom tastes of Reality)
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To: Neophyte

You know we talked of that the other night. President Bush has been so great he's gonna be a tough act to follow. I dont' know who we have honestly. I know we'll be let down when he leaves but we'll wish him and his family healthy, love and peace. :)


100 posted on 01/29/2005 10:22:23 PM PST by cubreporter
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