Posted on 01/23/2005 1:11:01 AM PST by rdb3
ritics of Charles Darwin's theory of evolution become more wily with each passing year. Creationists who believe that God made the world and everything in it pretty much as described in the Bible were frustrated when their efforts to ban the teaching of evolution in the public schools or inject the teaching of creationism were judged unconstitutional by the courts. But over the past decade or more a new generation of critics has emerged with a softer, more roundabout approach that they hope can pass constitutional muster.
One line of attack - on display in Cobb County, Ga., in recent weeks - is to discredit evolution as little more than a theory that is open to question. Another strategy - now playing out in Dover, Pa. - is to make students aware of an alternative theory called "intelligent design," which infers the existence of an intelligent agent without any specific reference to God. These new approaches may seem harmless to a casual observer, but they still constitute an improper effort by religious advocates to impose their own slant on the teaching of evolution.
The Cobb County fight centers on a sticker that the board inserted into a new biology textbook to placate opponents of evolution. The school board, to its credit, was trying to strengthen the teaching of evolution after years in which it banned study of human origins in the elementary and middle schools and sidelined the topic as an elective in high school, in apparent violation of state curriculum standards. When the new course of study raised hackles among parents and citizens (more than 2,300 signed a petition), the board sought to quiet the controversy by placing a three-sentence sticker in the textbooks:
"This textbook contains material on evolution. Evolution is a theory, not a fact, regarding the origin of living things. This material should be approached with an open mind, studied carefully, and critically considered."
Although the board clearly thought this was a reasonable compromise, and many readers might think it unexceptional, it is actually an insidious effort to undermine the science curriculum. The first sentence sounds like a warning to parents that the film they are about to watch with their children contains pornography. Evolution is so awful that the reader must be warned that it is discussed inside the textbook. The second sentence makes it sound as though evolution is little more than a hunch, the popular understanding of the word "theory," whereas theories in science are carefully constructed frameworks for understanding a vast array of facts. The National Academy of Sciences, the nation's most prestigious scientific organization, has declared evolution "one of the strongest and most useful scientific theories we have" and says it is supported by an overwhelming scientific consensus.
The third sentence, urging that evolution be studied carefully and critically, seems like a fine idea. The only problem is, it singles out evolution as the only subject so shaky it needs critical judgment. Every subject in the curriculum should be studied carefully and critically. Indeed, the interpretations taught in history, economics, sociology, political science, literature and other fields of study are far less grounded in fact and professional consensus than is evolutionary biology.
A more honest sticker would describe evolution as the dominant theory in the field and an extremely fruitful scientific tool. The sad fact is, the school board, in its zeal to be accommodating, swallowed the language of the anti-evolution crowd. Although the sticker makes no mention of religion and the school board as a whole was not trying to advance religion, a federal judge in Georgia ruled that the sticker amounted to an unconstitutional endorsement of religion because it was rooted in long-running religious challenges to evolution. In particular, the sticker's assertion that "evolution is a theory, not a fact" adopted the latest tactical language used by anti-evolutionists to dilute Darwinism, thereby putting the school board on the side of religious critics of evolution. That court decision is being appealed. Supporters of sound science education can only hope that the courts, and school districts, find a way to repel this latest assault on the most well-grounded theory in modern biology.
In the Pennsylvania case, the school board went further and became the first in the nation to require, albeit somewhat circuitously, that attention be paid in school to "intelligent design." This is the notion that some things in nature, such as the workings of the cell and intricate organs like the eye, are so complex that they could not have developed gradually through the force of Darwinian natural selection acting on genetic variations. Instead, it is argued, they must have been designed by some sort of higher intelligence. Leading expositors of intelligent design accept that the theory of evolution can explain what they consider small changes in a species over time, but they infer a designer's hand at work in what they consider big evolutionary jumps.
The Dover Area School District in Pennsylvania became the first in the country to place intelligent design before its students, albeit mostly one step removed from the classroom. Last week school administrators read a brief statement to ninth-grade biology classes (the teachers refused to do it) asserting that evolution was a theory, not a fact, that it had gaps for which there was no evidence, that intelligent design was a differing explanation of the origin of life, and that a book on intelligent design was available for interested students, who were, of course, encouraged to keep an open mind. That policy, which is being challenged in the courts, suffers from some of the same defects found in the Georgia sticker. It denigrates evolution as a theory, not a fact, and adds weight to that message by having administrators deliver it aloud.
Districts around the country are pondering whether to inject intelligent design into science classes, and the constitutional problems are underscored by practical issues. There is little enough time to discuss mainstream evolution in most schools; the Dover students get two 90-minute classes devoted to the subject. Before installing intelligent design in the already jam-packed science curriculum, school boards and citizens need to be aware that it is not a recognized field of science. There is no body of research to support its claims nor even a real plan to conduct such research. In 2002, more than a decade after the movement began, a pioneer of intelligent design lamented that the movement had many sympathizers but few research workers, no biology texts and no sustained curriculum to offer educators. Another leading expositor told a Christian magazine last year that the field had no theory of biological design to guide research, just "a bag of powerful intuitions, and a handful of notions." If evolution is derided as "only a theory," intelligent design needs to be recognized as "not even a theory" or "not yet a theory." It should not be taught or even described as a scientific alternative to one of the crowning theories of modern science.
That said, in districts where evolution is a burning issue, there ought to be some place in school where the religious and cultural criticisms of evolution can be discussed, perhaps in a comparative religion class or a history or current events course. But school boards need to recognize that neither creationism nor intelligent design is an alternative to Darwinism as a scientific explanation of the evolution of life.
"Get used to the label, it fits materialists like a glove.
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Did you know that I am a Christian minister that runs a homeless ministry in the inner city?
What do you do in your Christian walk to reflect Christ to others?
Your misunderstanding of the Bible and science does not make me an atheist.
Matt 7:22-23 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Now you're moving the goalposts. And you're indulging what's called the 'no true Scotsman' fallacy'.
'No true Scotsman doesn't like haggis'
'My brother in law's from Glasgow. He hates haggis.'
'He inna a true Scotsman then, because no true Scotsman doesn't like haggis.'
You've defined Christian in such a way that you can deny that anyone who embarrasses you is not a Christian. Thus, you can claim that no Christian is anything other than good.
Hitler was baptized Roman Catholic, brought up Catholic, made speeches invoking his Christianity and used Christian and biblical allusions and metaphors his whole life. In normal usage he would be counted as a Christian. He may have had plans to 'reform' Christianity, but then, so did Martin Luther, another notorious antisemite.
Yeah, you ought to take that verse to heart.
Just to make it clear I support (amongst other things):
Low and simple taxes
Minimum role of the state in people's lives
Welfare to be at levels that makes low-paid work seem very appealing
Personal responsibility and self-reliance
Small business
Free trade
US intervention in Iraq on both self-interest and moral grounds
Harsh penalties for repeat felons
Equality of all before the law (no preferential treatment for "minorities" or "historically disadvantaged")
The monomagous family unit
Free speech
Separation of Church and State
I don't discuss stuff like that on FR because it seems largely pointless to discuss a load of stuff that I agree with nearly everyone here about. (Some stuff like free trade there may be some debate about, but I don't get steamed up about it the way that I do over the crevo issue)
Now you know.
But I will never vote for a party that establishes fundamentalist religion as a core value, regardless of the rest of its program.
Feel free to point to the use of this term in anything written by either Darwin or Marx.
According to your logic, the above video proves Clinton was a Christian because he was carrying a Bible and walking with the "Holy-man"
Let's forget Clinton, and talk about Martin Luther. I posted some of Martin Luther's more rabid antisemitic rants earlier; I can post them again if you like. There was very little done to the Jews by the Nazis that martin luther did not explicitly advocate to the German rulers of his time; He said they should be enslaved, and their rabbis executed. The major Christian denomination in Germany 1933-1945 was, in fact, the Evangelical Lutheran Church.
Was Martin Luther not a Christian?
That clinton clip is an excellent illustration; but I suspect that the 'other side' will find using Hitler to beat over the Christian's heads is something they will under no circumstances ever release, regardless of the data provided.
Basically using the worst boogeyman to attack someone else is very common choice regarding the way people think. It isn't just the right wing atheists here either; it's also a top choice among leftists. But why?
Because Hitler evokes astoundingly negative emotions. And when your arguments (esp re evolution) are not positively compelling, it's time to call up the boogeyman in order to impugn the arguments that do, indeed, 'make sense'.
I guess we should look at this as a kind of 'good' sign; but using this degree of total illogic to defend the rightness of evolution ... it is a big mystery.,,,
Until one studies the profoundly deviant sexual history of the original members of the leadership of the nazi party. When you review that, and review what 'socialist' w/i the n.a.z.i label meant, it really starts to gel. Nazis were every bit as anti-christian as were the communists - they were just less overt in their approach to neutalizing it.
But these kinds of discussions, like the evo threads here week after week have shown, has proven to be verboten.
You can't win this argument by defining success downwards. If there's no such thing as evolving into a new KIND of animal, then you lose.
Why are you avoiding how Luther and the RC also advocated how christians would goading into burning the Talmud at the stake? I mean heck, don't give the gentle part of the story. Let's christian-bait as much as possible. Lord knows, ToE needs all the help it can get!
"If there's no such thing as evolving into a new KIND of animal, then you lose."
Sorry, no one can even define "kind". (Unless you think a bat and a bird are the same kind. LOL)
Kind is not a scientific concept. Your refusal to admit the fact of evolution with no substantial counter argument makes your view simply a stubborn religious objection to factual science.
Science has shown through the fossil record, geological dating, DNA relationships, comparative anatomy and a number of other corroborating mountains of evidence that common descent is a truth of life on Earth. All the emotionalism, nastiness and quoting of Biblical misinterpretations will not change that truth.
But keep posting stuff like this, so the viewers will know how empty the attack on evolution by the religious fundamentalists is.
Hitler and Luther have nothing to do with the fact that evolution is true. It is interesting that throughout thousands of posts, not one piece of scientific evidence has been presented by the religious fundamentalists against evolution. Not one!
They are very good at talking about side issues. None of the philosphy, political complaints, or specious claims divert anyone with an once of sense from realizing the creationist movement is a complete fraud.
"Was Martin Luther not a Christian?"
Uh OH! Now you have done it. I will be looking for a deep foxhole expecting a bunch of poo to be flying.
I see this quote has no bearing on your thinking about Christians.
It was at post 520 you said Hitler was a Christian. And now this gem: Let's forget Clinton, and talk about Martin Luther.
So, you'd elevate 'forgetting' Clinton, so that Luther, the founder of the principles that protect Jews today in this country, can be attacked as ..... an antisemite.
The reality that Karl Marx was baptized a Christian doesn't have a bearing on this interesting conversation from your point of view I am sure...
I mean, Clinton's sexual habits, Clinton's impact, .... hmmmmm. Clinton's EXAMPLE has nothing to do w/ ToE. That is why we should forget 'Clinton'.
You are a self-deceived troll - antisemitism (as the term is commonly understood) is fundamentally fueled by socialist(nazi)/communistic(marxist ) attitudes today on this planet. Judy Willow is correct - you, clearly threatened by the success of arguments against ToE, now resort to christian-baiting and obfuscation using the 'scotsman fallacy'.
Again: it is a reality that emotionalism fuels your commitment to ToE, the entire investment of your life in 'hard science', and now these attacks on christians. You are emotionally involved to an extreme. Why?
I think you were betrayed. You are totally ticked off to the extent it forms the grain of your soul. Who did it to you? It must flat out have been creepy, really creepy.
Because your willingness to deliberately lie about the motives of Hitler is creepy. Your attacks against Luther, without also discussing the environment w/i the RC church duing that general period ... creepy.
the common thread? you have structured a life designed to do anything to attack the credibility of christians. Including the 'benign' teaching of ToE to young people.
So in fact I completely agree with the following sentence that you almost typed, "Because Hitler evokes astoundingly negative emotions. And when your arguments (esp re creation) are not positively compelling, it's time to call up the boogeyman in order to impugn the arguments that do, indeed, 'make sense'."
You were obviously never spanked as a child.
You could turn me into an evolutionist easily enough by explaining how baleen could evolve. It seems obvious enough to me that it can't. There is no example of anything like baleen amongst land animals, and the first whales were carnivores. How is anything going to change, particularly in a gradualistic fashion, from having a carnivore's teeth and killing large fish and sea mammals for food to having baleen and straining for plankton?
If it happened gradually, you'd never get there since the necessary intermediate steps would be non-viable. If the change was sudden via mutation, then the creature with the baleen would have no idea what to do with them and starve within a few days. All of his nature and instincts would still be to kill large fish and mammals with carnivore teeth, which he would simply not have.
The idea of having large animals survive in open water by straining for plankton obviously made sense to somebody somewhere along the line and God or whoever else that somebody was either created the baleen whales to do it or retrofitted pre-existing whales with baleen and explained the new deal to them. THAT at least makes sense; evolution does not.
Creationist movement is still a complete fraud, despite your snide remark.
gobucks loves ad hominems that are based on his implied superiority of wisdom and intellect. If only he had either they'd be really effective.
Baleen might have intitially been feeding on fish, but started straining crill with its teeth. As more and more began doing this, the ones with the best strainers lived and the others didn't. Thus, the population changed allele frequency until it got to the most efficient straining mechanism. (Perhaps this started when a species of whale ran into a fish shortage in their particular range.)
"retrofitted pre-existing whales with baleen"
That is exactly what evolution would do.
Anyway, I am not a whale expert. Why don't you look this stuff up on the net or in a library (the big building with a lot of books in it)?
I get the sense that you are focused on the individual animal instead of a population. Whenever someone asks to see a mouse turn into a reindeer or something like that, it makes the eyes go up into my head. That is just not how it works.
Populations change over long periods of time. Our life spans are so short that we can only observe large scale changes by looking back at history in the fossil record. This includes changes over millions of years. If you believe in young Earth, this will not compute for you.
Also, the concept of eras of millions of years is difficult for many people, especially those untrained in science, to fully grasp.
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