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The Crafty Attacks on Evolution
The New York Slimes ^ | 23 January 2005 | EDITORIAL

Posted on 01/23/2005 1:11:01 AM PST by rdb3

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To: judywillow
"A man can no more be a Christian and believe in evolution than he can be a Christian and believe in naziism."

Precisely the same types of comparison the Democrats do, to their detriment.
61 posted on 01/23/2005 12:49:29 PM PST by Smartaleck
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To: judywillow

"The point is, an evolutionist has no rational or logical basis for morality."

The biology of a broken toe has no basis for morality either. What's your point?


62 posted on 01/23/2005 12:53:22 PM PST by Smartaleck
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To: judywillow

There are far more non-scientists that are homosexual than scientists. Those in art, english literature, sociology,
building fake museums etc. are more prone to being light in the loafers than any scientist.

Those who repeatedly post ad hominen attacks that have no relationship to the debate are also prone to be homosexual.


63 posted on 01/23/2005 1:35:18 PM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: judywillow

The point is, an evolutionist has no rational or logical basis for morality.

No, the point is that morality and the cold facts of how the natural universe works are completely unrelated.

Just out of curiosity, is it ok for me to believe in germ theory? Or does that make me a baby killer?


64 posted on 01/23/2005 1:35:30 PM PST by Alacarte (There is no knowledge that is not power)
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To: AndrewC

Logic doesn't trump data, anyway.

Evolution is a fact.


65 posted on 01/23/2005 1:36:54 PM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: AndrewC

Please, show how my logic performs as you state.


Because you were suggesting that since there are still mechanisms within evolution that need to be resolved, the entire theory is debunked. So I was pointing out that all theories undergo the same constant modifications and improvements, that is how science works. Your DNA mouse/man thing is just pointing at one of those holes (assuming your example happened). Why not point out the same thing from other theories?


66 posted on 01/23/2005 1:39:48 PM PST by Alacarte (There is no knowledge that is not power)
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To: Alacarte
Because you were suggesting that since there are still mechanisms within evolution that need to be resolved, the entire theory is debunked.

Au contraire, I was pointing out that "Find a human skeleton in the same strata as dino bones and you would falsify evolution." was a false statement. I demonstrated that by giving an example in the real world. And my example is true.

67 posted on 01/23/2005 2:16:07 PM PST by AndrewC (Darwinian logic -- It is just-so if it is just-so)
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To: shubi
Logic doesn't trump data, anyway.

Tell that to Nicole Simpson.

68 posted on 01/23/2005 2:17:23 PM PST by AndrewC (Darwinian logic -- It is just-so if it is just-so)
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To: judywillow
Funny thing, I used to view evolutionary biology as totally worthless but it's possible I could be wrong. I've read at least one report recently of a guy claiming that a degree in evolutionary biology prepared him fairly well for a career in the packaging and shipping business:

Tell that to the guys who use the TOE to come up with a new Flu vaccine every year or new antiboitics or Pesticides thus saving thousands to millions of lives.

What great advances for mankind has creationism ever made?

If it were up to you guys, we wouldn't even have lightning rods on houses.

69 posted on 01/23/2005 2:39:24 PM PST by qam1 (Anyone who was born in New Jersey should not be allowed to drive at night or on hills.)
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To: AndrewC

That was illogic trumping data.


70 posted on 01/23/2005 3:28:56 PM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: qam1
Funny thing, I used to view evolutionary biology as totally worthless but it's possible I could be wrong. I've read at least one report recently of a guy claiming that a degree in evolutionary biology prepared him fairly well for a career in the packaging and shipping business:

Tell that to the guys who use the TOE to come up with a new Flu vaccine every year or new antiboitics or Pesticides thus saving thousands to millions of lives.

Nobody ever USED the theory of evolution for anything, other perhaps than trying to rationalize failed lifestyles to themselves or to formulate "isms".

But the really big question for evolutionists is this:

With GreenBay out of the playoffs, i.e. without being able to root for the Packers, who're you backing to win the superbowl this year?

71 posted on 01/23/2005 3:36:11 PM PST by judywillow
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To: Long Cut

Hey Long Cut, over here, More "Fun with the Fundies"

8^)


72 posted on 01/23/2005 3:48:21 PM PST by The SISU kid (Sometimes it seems like I’m the only one in the landing party not wearing a red uniform)
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To: judywillow

Considering how obsessively you're posting about gays, I can only guess that you're enormously disappointed that there's not a team named the Rug Munchers.


73 posted on 01/23/2005 3:52:12 PM PST by general_re (How come so many of the VKs have been here six months or less?)
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To: judywillow
Nobody ever USED the theory of evolution for anything, other perhaps than trying to rationalize failed lifestyles to themselves or to formulate "isms".

Yeah sure, Chemist and Biologist are the dregs of society. I am sure the parents of the guys who came up with this years flu vaccine are really disappointed in them.

But here is where you were suppose to list the benefits of studying creationism. I take it by your lack of response you can't think of any.

But the really big question for evolutionists is this: With GreenBay out of the playoffs, i.e. without being able to root for the Packers, who're you backing to win the superbowl this year?

I can see I can scratch off humor as something creationist learn.

74 posted on 01/23/2005 4:38:03 PM PST by qam1 (Anyone who was born in New Jersey should not be allowed to drive at night or on hills.)
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To: AndrewC
Au contraire, I was pointing out that "Find a human skeleton in the same strata as dino bones and you would falsify evolution." was a false statement. I demonstrated that by giving an example in the real world. And my example is true.

It is not false at all. A human skeleton found beside a dinosaur would be a serious problem for evolution. What was your argument? That DNA thing? Post a link to it then, a link to REAL science website, if you're going to persist.

Just because a problem arises in genetics that we don't understand just means that... well, we don't understand it yet! It happens in every theory, not just evolution. THough there are some major problems, like fossils being way out of place, like a man beside a dinosaur, that would falsify evolution.
75 posted on 01/23/2005 4:45:57 PM PST by Alacarte (There is no knowledge that is not power)
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To: PatrickHenry

How's about this one?


76 posted on 01/23/2005 4:52:42 PM PST by Junior (FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC)
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To: AndrewC
We essentially found a similar situation when some "junk" DNA of humans and mice were identical(humans, mice, and the common ancestor lie in the same strata). There is no reason for that situation to have occurred according to Darwin's theory.

Odd, I don't recall Darwin commenting on the mechanisms of DNA replication, nor on the probabilities of accurate replication in the absense of obvious selection.

I'm kind of curious about what ID says about this. Since replication errors occur, and this fact is not in dispute, how does ID explain long sequences replicated without error.

It would seem to me that there are several possibilities: the sequence has a yet unknown function that is being selected; the sequence is at the extreme end of a bell curve distribution of preserved sequences; it's a miracle.

I'm curious. Is there a nice curve published somewhere of preserved sequence lengths?

77 posted on 01/23/2005 4:54:30 PM PST by js1138
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To: VadeRetro; Junior; longshadow; RadioAstronomer; Doctor Stochastic; js1138; Shryke; RightWhale; ...
EvolutionPing
A pro-evolution science list with over 220 names. See list's description at my homepage. FReepmail to be added/dropped.

78 posted on 01/23/2005 5:00:16 PM PST by PatrickHenry (<-- Click on my name. The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
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To: The SISU kid; PatrickHenry; Ichneumon; VadeRetro; Dimensio; Junior
Oh, I've spent quite a while lurking on and occaisionally posting to these threads. It would seem that the discourse on this one is a bit below par...witness the absolutely nonsensical gay-baiting being done by one poster.

Time was, ADULTS posted to these threads.

Now, we get an unending parade of the SAME people from previous threads who, having had everything from the definition of the word "theory" to vast quantities of evidence shown to them, nonetheless begin each thread with the same arguments which have been previously debunked.

Not to mention the single-post bombtossers.

Creationists by and large are the most dishonest people inhabiting the Right. They are naught but a drag on, and an albatross around, conservatism. No other group, even the HTT's in my opinion, comes close.

If you're new to the CrEvo threads, look for posts by Ichneumon and Dimensio, plus Vade Retro and Physicist. They are truly informative, and devastating to their opponents in all cases. I've never seen Ichneumon refuted to any appreciable degree.

Check out PatrickHenry's homepage for the infamous "list o links".

79 posted on 01/23/2005 5:05:04 PM PST by Long Cut (The Constitution...the NATOPS of America!)
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To: Long Cut
Check out PatrickHenry's homepage for the infamous "list o links".

Thanks for the plug. A few years ago, I actually posted the list in new threads. But it became repetitive, and so I quit. Now it resides -- and grows almost every week -- at my homepage. If I were to post the thing it would fill about seven screens, so that's out of the question. But the links are grouped by subject, as well as I can do it, so it's not too difficult to navigate.

80 posted on 01/23/2005 5:09:04 PM PST by PatrickHenry (<-- Click on my name. The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
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