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To: ilovew

"I hate that the liberals thought that just because we're conservatives we would hate Mary Cheney because she's gay."

Of course it was appropriate for Mary Cheney to be at the inauguration of her dad. I honor the love she and her dad share for each other. I'm sure her parents are sad that she is gay, but love her anyway.

But I do think it wasn't appropriate for her to HOLD THE HOLY BIBLE as the Vice President was sworn in.

It certainly sends the wrong message -- it tends to convey the idea that homosexuality and Biblical Christianity are not inconsistent, and we know that they ARE. The Bible clearly condemns homosexuality. No matter how nice a woman Mary Cheney is, or how smart and attractive, etc., etc., she is a sinner in the eyes of the Lord and until she repents of her sin & ceases to be involved in the homosexual lifestyle she cannot be saved.

It is not a matter of hating Mary Cheney -- it is a matter of HATING HER SIN.
Love the sinner, hate the sin, is the only correct Biblical attitude. I'm not sure the Cheneys quite understand that. I noticed that at the RNC they allowed not only Mary on the dais, which was fine (she is their daughter) but Mary's lesbian partner (Heather something, I believe). Heather stayed discreetly in the Cheney box earlier in the convention but the two women were allowed to parade their relationship in full view of everyone during the post-acceptance speech celebration.

Cheney's little granddaughters were also on the dais during this part of the convention. What kind of impression did that leave on those young impressionable mind when their lesbian aunt and her lesbian partner were accepted as a "couple" in public, by the highest in the land?


242 posted on 01/22/2005 10:14:02 PM PST by EdJay
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To: EdJay; ilovew; Wolfstar
I fully agree with you that it was appropriate for Mary Cheney to be at the inauguration of her dad. They are a close and loving family but I do not necessarily share your view that her parents are sad that she is gay more likely they are happy that she is happy and not living a lie.

I have to agree with you though I also do think it was probably not appropriate for her to HOLD THE HOLY BIBLE as the Vice President was sworn in, play a prominent role yes stand next to him but possibly not be holding the Bible it does possibly hurt the very people that strongly supported the President and VP during election campaign. (I suspect I will come in for some criticism for this comment). Whilst I said in previous posts I hoped there would not be flack for this I did not 100% agree with it, it was said more from a personal and political perspective rather than what I personally believed.

As you say to the unbeliever I would have to agree it does send the wrong message and possibly does convey that homosexuality and Biblical Christianity are not inconsistent which of course as you say are.

I understand where you are coming from and I agree it is not a matter of hating Mary Cheney -- it is a matter of hating her sin in other words love the sinner but hate the sin.

Regarding your comment about the Cheney's not appreciating this because they allowed Mary on the platform with Heather at the RNC incidentally she and Heather were on the platform at the Victory Rally at the Reagan Center along with the President and his family so are you saying by this the President does not understand and condones her lifestyle - I think not. The Cheney's accept it the President accepts it it may not be what they believe themselves but that is Mary's choice and she is free to live her life as she wishes as long as she does not hurt others. This should not preclude her from these events but like you I have reservations about any religious connotations involved and certainly not happy about the bible incident. I would presume this was the VP choice as she does seem to be his favourite I believe she shares a lot of his outdoor pursuits, fishing, skiing etc.

Regarding the Cheney grandchildren what is better allowing them to see the truth of the relationship between Mary and Heather or hide it. It does not mean you promote or infer it is the norm but you do not lie about it, they obviously love their aunt and probably Heather as well as I believe she has been in Mary's life since they were born. Again this is not a sense of condoning but this is the facts and unless Mary changes this is what her lifestyle is.

The Cheney's love Mary and I am sure Heather in the same way they love Liz and Philip Perry but this does not mean they are sending messages that this is the norm.

IMHO they believe it is an alternative lifestyle one that some may disagree with but not something to be hidden. Contrary to public perception though the VP is a private man he is not a secretive hide issues that maybe uncomfortable type. When he was nominated for Sec of Defence he was the one that wanted to bring his drink drive convictions out there and then but was told not important issue to publicly confess he has never tried to hide this and does not hide Mary' sexual orientation either, whether they agree with it is neither here or there and surely the American public and certainly the Evangelical Christians are mature and adult enough to understand this. Please feel free to disagree with me.
249 posted on 01/23/2005 5:12:10 AM PST by snugs (An English Cheney Chick - BIG TIME)
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