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To: VadeRetro
"Well, learn someting new. If a bacterium does have two or more genes for a trait, you still have dominance/recession. Full disclosure: I didn't know that."

Glad to help out. Seriously.

You do owe me an apology, however. Prior to learning that bacteria really do have recessive traits, you were quite vicious.

That's not a problem for *me*, personally, but such character assaults detract from useful scientific debate, and for *that*, you should be sorry.

684 posted on 01/23/2005 8:38:01 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack
Glad to help out. Seriously.

As I don't post under the name of "Southack," I take pride in demonstrating that when I didn't know something or I mess something up, I will freely acknowledge. Oddly enough, to stay in the right, you have to be capable of being wrong. Otherwise, as you for one should probably know by now, you marry your mistakes forever.

You do owe me an apology, however. Prior to learning that bacteria really do have recessive traits, you were quite vicious.

Alas, the characterization remains spot on and you are indeed doing the Dance of the Superdumb Larry. In the words of Dan Day, "Try to keep up, son." I will review for you.

A problem cited for your "There is nothing new (genetically) under the sun" thesis is the demonstrable ability of even an initially monoclonal (descended from a single cell) colony of bacteria to gradually evolve a resistance to virtually any chemical which would initially wipe out 100 percent of any batch exposed to it.

Your still-laughable dodge is that the seemingly evolved trait lay recessive in the original cell. In support of this, you Tah-dah!-ed out an instance in which which a resistance trait is controlled by two copies of a gene, allowing the sort of competition for expression which creates dominance/recession.

I hope that brings you back to where we are. Now I want to point out to you that your dodge remains laughable.

But let's clarify your story. You need for every trait that ever has or will be "shown to evolve" to be controlled by multiple genes.

1) Are you claiming that bacteria have eukaryote-style gene pairs for all traits? (Hint: Don't go there.)

2) Are you claiming that no single-gene trait can mutate?

3) Are you claiming that no single-gene trait can have favorable mutations in a given situation?

Dance on, Larry, and I'll check back in a bit.

707 posted on 01/24/2005 7:19:23 AM PST by VadeRetro
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