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To: anguish
"You're wrong here, and I could show it wrong with a highschool experiment. You isolate a bacteria, let it multiply, test for an antibiotic that will kill it, let it grow into a large colony, and then incrementally add the antibiotic to the colony. ... As we started out with one bacteria, and the end result has accuired a new property, it's very much evolution."

No, and no.

No, the bacteria didn't acquire a new property, and no, mere natural selection (without mutation) is not Evolution.

Consider, if you applied an antibiotic to which no member of a colony was immune, the entire colony would *either* have to die or else instantaneously mutate.

Instantaneous mutation never happens in real life. Instead, some existing members of said bacteria colony will already have a trait that makes them resistant to the applied antibiotic. They will then thrive and multiply (no more competition from their now-dead peers, for instance).

Thus, a colony that isn't wiped out soon returns with a widespread resistance to the original antibiotic.

But that effect is due only to Natural Selection, not instantaneous mutation.

535 posted on 01/23/2005 1:14:56 AM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack
No, and no.
Yes, and yes. I've done this myself.
if you applied an antibiotic to which no member of a colony was immune, the entire colony would *either* have to die or else instantaneously mutate.
Oh please! "incrementally add the antibiotic to the colony" - you don't drown the colony in antibiotics from start. If one is in a real hurry (as you seem to be) add a mutagen.
536 posted on 01/23/2005 1:37:34 AM PST by anguish (while science catches up.... mysticism!)
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To: Southack
Consider, if you applied an antibiotic to which no member of a colony was immune...

You seem to have trouble reading. The size of the original colony is one individual.

583 posted on 01/23/2005 10:44:49 AM PST by js1138
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