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I'm relatively new but posted on another related thread a thought about Creationists-by-Faith versus Creationists-by-Argument.

I have utmost respect for Creationists-by-Faith.

Creationists-by-Argument seem to me to be dishonest at some level and don't believe their own rhetoric. It may be that they are dishonest with themselves and fear that to accept evolution is to somehow lose their faith. I wonder if meeting deeply religious people who accept the theory of evolution as a wonderful evidence of the glory and magnificence of Creation would relax that group. One might hope.

[NJ Neocon]

I have utmost respect for Creationists-by-Faith.

Same here. Creationists-by-Argument seem to me to be dishonest at some level and don't believe their own rhetoric. It may be that they are dishonest with themselves and fear that to accept evolution is to somehow lose their faith. I wonder if meeting deeply religious people who accept the theory of evolution as a wonderful evidence of the glory and magnificence of Creation would relax that group. One might hope.

Ditto! Excellent!

[Alacarte]

I have utmost respect for Creationists-by-Faith.

I assume creationist-by-faith are people who believe because they want to believe, not because they think there is any actual evidence... Whereas the argument type fell there is evidence for their beliefs. In which case I'm starting to think that it's dishonesty too that causes them not to want to understand.

I wonder if meeting deeply religious people who accept the theory of evolution as a wonderful evidence of the glory and magnificence of Creation would relax that group.

Religious people in the sciences are always the most interesting people to talk to. It is fascinating to hear them rationalize their beliefs with the sciences. They are always logical and honest, and they always believe in evolution of course. I don't see what is wrong with the "genesis is a metaphor for evolution" argument. I don't agree, but at least it's honest.

I'm pretty new myself, but welcome. ;)

[self_evident]

It may be that they are dishonest with themselves and fear that to accept evolution is to somehow lose their faith.

Yes, it is bizarre, and their "faith" is much more like science than it is faith.

For many posters here, it seems that their faith is, in fact, "falsifiable", and that the occurance of evolution falsifies it.

BTW, this make the constant claim that evolution is just another "faith" quite understandable. Except that it's not because evolutions is faith-based, but instead that their faith is evidence-based (and any contrary evidence very damaging to their world-view.. leading to the emotion).