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To: Qatar-6; zarf; blasater1960

{If Israel had never come into existance none of the "Balancing" would have been necessary. }
At least you are more honest than Abu Mazen about your intentions. Arab world opinion of the United States is only based on the existence of Israel in so much as it represents America's interests in the Arabian region of influence. You are looking for a strategic reason and base your argument on the fact that Israeli troops have not been deployed with American troops. That is at least until recently. It was widely reported that Israeli special forces were side by side with American special forces prior to the full scale invasion of Iraq. But the argument is a red herring. American forces have never been deployed in a war in which Israel was fighting either. Does that mean the US isn't a friend of Israel? This borders on stupidity, no offense.
American strategic interests are defined by the American people for your information. The American people have decided by their ballots that Israel is important. That is what matters. It is a matter of preference. Most Americans recognize that Israel represents THEIR values in a part of the world where slavery is condoned, women are abused at the will of their husbands who they had little choice in marrying to start with, mutilate female children, leaving the male children to learn to blow up for muslim paradise and hate generally replaces love. Islam as submission is a repressive state of affairs for everyone except the "strategically" empowered. To say that the arab islamic world needed Israel to carry on its war with the west which began with Mohammed himself {YSh}is contrary to your self perceived notion of being a student of history. Jihadists from the beginning have died in the name of islamic killing. The victims have been mostly non-muslims (black muslims however have also been targets). Arabic gave us the word "assassin" as Shai has pointed out originating with islamic murder of christians during the crusades ". http://www.fun-with-words.com/etym_example.html.
Jews and others living the arab muslim world long before Israel came into existence were certainly not treated in brotherly love. Again, no need for a Jewish state. http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/Jews_in_Arab_lands_(gen).html
But mostly, Americans have a keen sense of justice, probably because the proportion of G-d fearing religious people in America far outstrips the remainder of the western world. That means, even if they do not have a working knowledge of the history pointed out here they sense a snake in the grass without having to see it.
Since this post started with Deprogram Program, with apologies to Shai, I am posting a partial transcript below from the show entitled "Hamites", September 5, 2004.


The Torah MiSinai is about the promise to Avraham of what was known in his
generation - with his ancestor Shem still alive - as the Land of Canaan.
The Holy One Blessed be He in His divine Torah introduces the reader to
Abraham with a few words at the end of Chapter 11 but then beginning with Chapter 12,
verse 1, we meet this Avraham (still Avram at that point) who in the first verse is told he
was going to be given a land which turned out to be the Land of the Canaanites, where
there are several peoples called Canaanites, whom the Holy One Blessed Be He wants
Abraham to dispossess.

Now, G-d Almighty of course could dispossess them in the wink of an eye, but
then there would be no story. No evolution, no growth of the species. In his infinite
wisdom that passes understanding, He wants the seed of Avraham, four hundred years in
the future, to do the dispossessing.
Avraham, descendant of Shem ben Noah, is awarded this goodly land, and also is
charged with sending out these Canaanites, these descendants of Canaan ben Ham, and
why? Well, the Torah miSinai tells us that these Canaanites were just about the worst
examples of humanity around: idol-worshippers, sexual deviants who sacrificed their
children to their idols, who sacrificed children to their conception of god. Perhaps one of
the lessons here that liberals and communists most certainly do not like is that there are
differences between peoples. Not all peoples are of equal worth and virtue, and some
peoples are so low-level their absence would be a blessing. HaShem wanted the
descendants of Shem to live in His holy land. He did not want the Canaanites and other
descendants of Ham to be here.
Ham means hot, as in hot-blooded/hot-headed, a slave of his emotions, not a
master of them.
And the Torah, in its divine, literary genius, also does not just coincidently show
us the similarity between the name Ham and the sin - the fatal sin of mankind - for
which the Almighty chose to destroy the world: hamas.
And surely it is no coincidence, that in the Arabic language, a cognate of Hebrew,
hamas is a word that also appears only in valuation as the reverse of the Hebrew term. In
the Bible hamas is the worst feature of the human personality; unbridled violence that
destroys the world. In Islam, the word is a virtue translated as “zeal” or “enthusiasm,”
i.e., dare one say it, unbridled fanaticism.
Hamas today is the name of that Nazi-like murder cult which as an acronym was
chosen in 1988 because it can stand for Harakat al-Muqqauwama al-Islamiya meaning
Islamic Resistance Organization, meaning resistance to Jewish freedom, and also because
it is an Islamic virtue to be zealous for Allah and his jihad.
In a nutshell, for the children of Israel, hamas is the sin that destroys the world; it
conjures up violence and injustice. But for the children of Ishmael, son of Hagar,
daughter of Egypt, son of Ham, it is among the highest religious virtues.
So, from the way yours truly sees things, these what we call Arabs today, these
Ishmaelites, are in truth homicidal Hamites, who bear the personality and deficits of
Ham, with his disrespect for his father, his homosexual perversion; this slave of
dictators, men like Saddam Hussein and Yasser Arafat, monstrous slaves themselves of
their own drives, pleasures and urges.
The maniacs who blew up those two buses in Beersheva - the border town
between Abraham and the Philistines - and those Chechens supported by more Muslim
maniacs for whom not life but death is the ultimate pleasure, are Hamites.
As the Arabs stole the Jewish narrative of being the legitimate owners of this land
driven into pitiable exile, aching to come home, so they stole the term Semite. For
decades jackals like Arafat have said “we cannot be antisemites because we too are
Semites,” when that is just more of their lies and larceny. Jewish law holds that you
belong to the Jewish people because of your mother, daughter of Sarah, not Hagar.
Hagar in the Torah also marries off her son to another Egyptian, Genesis chapter
21, verse 21, so it’s not right to hold that Ishmael, the son of a Hamitic woman and the
husband of a Hamitic woman passes on to his descendants the legacy of Shem.
These Arabs and their wild Chechen brothers are Hamites who bear the heritage
of their eponymous ancestor who was born before the Flood, and seems to have carried
over into the post-Flood world just about the worst character traits man is capable of.

From Ham to Hamas to Beersheva and Iraq and Saudi Arabia where they
regularly chop off hands and heads, to that bloodbath last Friday in Russia, the Hamites
of this world are alive and at war with the seed of Shem and Japhet.


29 posted on 01/22/2005 6:52:15 PM PST by APRPEH (beware of the putatively ancient palestinians)
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To: APRPEH

Brilliant response...Well done


34 posted on 01/23/2005 11:23:02 AM PST by blasater1960 ( Ishmaelites...Still a wild-ass of a people....)
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