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Insider info on the NJ Coptic Christian murders
JihadWatch ^

Posted on 01/20/2005 6:43:59 PM PST by Selkie

Inside information on the New Jersey murders A close friend of the Coptic Christian brutally murdered in New Jersey along with his family, Hossam Armanious, is the source of this information, which comes to you exclusively from Jihad Watch:

The Armanious family had inspired several Muslims to convert to Christianity — or thought they had. These converts were actually practicing taqiyya, or religious deception, pretending to be friends of these Christians in order to strengthen themselves against them, as in Qur'an 3:28: "Let believers not make friends with infidels in preference to the faithful -- he that does this has nothing to hope for from Allah -- except in self-defense."

It was these "converts" who knocked on the door of the Armanious home. Of course, the family, not suspecting the deception, was happy to see the "converted" men and willingly let them in to their home. That's why there was no sign of forced entry. Then the "converted" Muslims did their grisly work.

Many Copts are regarding the murders as a warning to the Coptic community as a whole, related to the increasing strife between Copts and Muslims in Egypt and the Copts' energetic efforts in America to get the truth out about the differences between Middle Eastern Christians and Muslims -- differences that the Islamic lobby, with its disingenuous talk of "Arab Americans," routinely glosses over and hopes you don't notice. The Copts, to their immense credit, have been particularly outspoken among Middle Eastern Christians about Muslim oppression. And yes, many are active on Pal Talk debating Muslims.

(Excerpt) Read more at jihadwatch.org ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: New Jersey; US: New York; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 911; arab; armanious; christian; coptic; fatwa; islam; jihad; jihadinamerica; koran; koranimals; murder; muslim; religionofpeace; religionofpieces; terrorism; trop
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Heard this from another source, interesting to see it online in similar fashion.
1 posted on 01/20/2005 6:43:59 PM PST by Selkie
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To: Selkie
They will all be dead, soon.
2 posted on 01/20/2005 6:45:57 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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To: Selkie

That sounds plausible since there was no sign of forced entry.


3 posted on 01/20/2005 6:46:39 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Selkie

In this country, our balls are bigger than their stupid moon rock they pray to. They will be caught, and they will fry!


4 posted on 01/20/2005 6:47:14 PM PST by shellshocked
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To: Selkie

Hopefully the police, and the press, have learned something from useful the DC area sniper case...


5 posted on 01/20/2005 6:50:04 PM PST by swilhelm73 (Like the archers of Agincourt, ... the Swiftboat Veterans took down their own haughty Frenchman.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

And the muslims wonder why hatred for their religion is growing ???


6 posted on 01/20/2005 6:51:49 PM PST by Starhopper ( For evil to conquer. Good men need to do nothing.)
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To: Selkie

Not all Muslims are evil--many are good and kind-- but there seems to be something about this religion of peace that either attracts or creates blood-thirsty psychopathic thugs.


7 posted on 01/20/2005 6:52:30 PM PST by marsh_of_mists
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

The murderers are too stupid to keep their spew holes shut about how they have pleased their beloved allah.


8 posted on 01/20/2005 6:52:58 PM PST by clintonh8r
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To: Selkie
Many Copts are regarding the murders as a warning to the Coptic community as a whole, related to the increasing strife between Copts and Muslims in Egypt and the Copts' energetic efforts in America to get the truth out about the differences between Middle Eastern Christians and Muslims -- differences that the Islamic lobby, with its disingenuous talk of "Arab Americans," routinely glosses over and hopes you don't notice.

I know nothing about this religion but if they are indeed Christians, they are in good company...

As I see it, this attack wasn't against Coptic Christians...These are American Christians from Egypt...An attack on any Christian is an attack on ALL Christians...Time to make sure the powder is still dry...

9 posted on 01/20/2005 6:53:48 PM PST by Iscool
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To: marsh_of_mists

look, any religion or cult or group that makes it a religious right to abuse women and treat them like property is going to attrack a certain amount of men...


11 posted on 01/20/2005 7:01:42 PM PST by cherry
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To: Selkie
"The Armanious family had inspired several Muslims to convert to Christianity — or thought they had. These converts were actually practicing taqiyya, or religious deception, pretending to be friends of these Christians. . ."

These 'converts'-NOT actually; have to be human beings of the lowest order; and this false befriending is a traitorous act. . .that was planned all along to be a murderous one.

Sick from beginning to end. . .

12 posted on 01/20/2005 7:02:00 PM PST by cricket (Just say - NO U.N.)
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To: shellshocked
R.I.P.
13 posted on 01/20/2005 7:03:28 PM PST by Selkie (You can argue 'til you're blue in the face, but I'll always be right.)
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To: marsh_of_mists

No of course not all muslims are inherantly evil.
And they're still good and kind because they haven't delved deeply into the heart of the Koran.
It was estimated that perhaps 10-15% of all muslims are devout (i.e fanatical)
Well 130-150 million murderers and terrorists are too many to justify the continuance of Islam for the milder adherants of it.


14 posted on 01/20/2005 7:10:15 PM PST by Selkie (You can argue 'til you're blue in the face, but I'll always be right.)
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To: jan in Colorado; Fred Nerks; SJackson; weenie

Ping


15 posted on 01/20/2005 7:10:32 PM PST by Land_of_Lincoln_John
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To: dcuddeback

You have no idea how much I'd love to wear a tshirt saying that to the gym.
Of course if I dared to then one would ask for me tomorrow and shall find me a grave (wo)man.


16 posted on 01/20/2005 7:14:00 PM PST by Selkie (You can argue 'til you're blue in the face, but I'll always be right.)
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To: marsh_of_mists

Not all Muslims are evil--many are good and kind"

Any muslim who is "good and kind" is either practicing taqiyya or is a muslim in name only.


17 posted on 01/20/2005 7:14:40 PM PST by philetus (Zell Miller - One of the few)
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To: Selkie

Interesting theory.


18 posted on 01/20/2005 7:16:09 PM PST by Ciexyz (I use the term Blue Cities, not Blue States. PA is red except for Philly, Pgh & Erie)
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To: philetus

bump


19 posted on 01/20/2005 7:16:49 PM PST by Jimmyclyde (Dying ain't much of a living boy...)
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To: philetus
Any muslim who is "good and kind" is either practicing taqiyya or is a muslim in name only.

The thugs that did this are definitely evil...

"Muslims are the first victims of Islam. Many times I have observed in my travels in the orient that fanaticism comes from a small number of dangerous men who maintain the others in the practice of religion by terror. To liberate the Muslim from his religion is the best service that one can render him."

Ernest Renan, French sociologist, in an 1883 speech.

There's no hope for the thugs who did this, assuming the story above is true, which it probably is.

Let's not give up on the rest.

20 posted on 01/20/2005 7:21:27 PM PST by Land_of_Lincoln_John
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