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America, not Johnson needs pardon (black boxer Jack Johnson)
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| January 19, 2005
| Leonard Pitts, Jr.
Posted on 01/20/2005 11:28:41 AM PST by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar
We are probably a nation of historical illiteracy, but Ken Burns is a documentarian of great historical bias.
To: Mr. Mojo
I doubt Tyson would be as far down the list as you think. He was masterfully prepped for his early bouts. I would be he'd be more successful against some of the earlier boxers than you think.
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posted on
01/20/2005 1:52:19 PM PST
by
LibertarianInExile
(NO BLOOD FOR CHOCOLATE! Get the UN-ignoring, unilateralist Frogs out of Ivory Coast!)
To: LibertarianInExile; Mr. Mojo
That is, "I would BET." Sorry.
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posted on
01/20/2005 1:53:03 PM PST
by
LibertarianInExile
(NO BLOOD FOR CHOCOLATE! Get the UN-ignoring, unilateralist Frogs out of Ivory Coast!)
To: EveningStar
Johnson sounds like a fascinating man and a good boxer (and I love to hear the story of a good boxer, from Muhammad Ali to Jake LaMotta). Pity I haven't heard too much about him before, but I think I might just check out this documentary to rectify that little oversight. Joe Louis was another man able to pull himself up by his bootstraps and overcome the racial bigotry prominant in his day and age, and boxing as a sport is immensely stronger for it.
(O.J., on the other hand, really IS guilty as Hell. I don't know why the author of this piece feels it necessary to defend a double-murderer when the O.J. Simpson trial is not even related to the topic at hand).
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posted on
01/20/2005 1:53:26 PM PST
by
RockAgainsttheLeft04
(Chaos is great. Chaos is what killed the dinosaurs, darling. -- from Heathers (1989))
To: cyborg
It is not Leftist conspiracy; it is Leftist outrage at what is perfectly understandable. The outrage makes it sound like it was not perfectly understandable that people took umbrage at Johnson's flaunting the social mores.
And I am not objecting to some mention of what happened. It would be impossible to make a truthful biographical picture on Johnson and ignore the subject. That is not my point. It is the phoney sanctimony; the phoney judgmental posturing by the announcers of the events. Tell what happened. There is drama enough in the story, without the sanctimony.
And I, though I have no sympathy with Johnson flaunting society, have genuine admiration for Johnson's ability. The sanctimony only tended to diminish Johnson.
William Flax
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posted on
01/20/2005 1:54:05 PM PST
by
Ohioan
To: 2banana
O.J. Simpson was and is free to do whatever he wants, as long as it doesn't involve killing two people in cold blood. It's unfortunate that this commentator sees a question of guilt or innocence as a question of racism. Questions of fact shouldn't be muddied with people's personal opinions.
To: Hatteras
Probably a Stutz Bearcat.
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posted on
01/20/2005 1:56:21 PM PST
by
LibertarianInExile
(NO BLOOD FOR CHOCOLATE! Get the UN-ignoring, unilateralist Frogs out of Ivory Coast!)
To: Hatteras
He did drive fast. Of course, what was fast in 1908 was less than the average turnpike speed now. Anybody know what kind of car Jackson drove?
To: Lee'sGhost
Let's be fair. I'm sure they imported some Southerners to get a racist jury. /sarcasm
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posted on
01/20/2005 1:58:46 PM PST
by
LibertarianInExile
(NO BLOOD FOR CHOCOLATE! Get the UN-ignoring, unilateralist Frogs out of Ivory Coast!)
To: popdonnelly
"Anybody know what kind of car Jackson drove?"
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posted on
01/20/2005 2:05:07 PM PST
by
Hatteras
To: Mr. Mojo
Top three Heavyweights of all time:
1.) Muhammad Ali-- a three-time champion who held the belt for all but a handful of years between 1964-80, Ali left his mark on the sport as no other figure has before or since. Witty, Brash, tenatious and almost superhumanly controversial, the former Cassius Clay might just have been the MOST important sports figure of the mid-twentieth century, taking his battles from Joe Frazier to the Supreme Court and back again.
2.) Rocky Marciano-- Gotta give some love to the ONLY man to ever retire the Heavyweight title undefeated and untied in his ENTIRE professional career. 59-0 speaks for itself, and Marciano had the good grace and intelligence to bow out when he finally got tired of his excellence. A good man as well as a good boxer.
3.) Joe Louis-- An Alabama boy's just got to stand up for the Alabama boxer who made good...REAL good. The Brown Bomber stomped through the '40's like a panzer blitzkrieg, but he stood up for what was right in a time of racial divisions and bigotry against black sportsmen.
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posted on
01/20/2005 2:05:23 PM PST
by
RockAgainsttheLeft04
(Chaos is great. Chaos is what killed the dinosaurs, darling. -- from Heathers (1989))
To: EveningStar
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posted on
01/20/2005 2:10:31 PM PST
by
F.J. Mitchell
(The Progrossive Democrats are never so small a minority that they can't screw every thing up.)
To: EveningStar
Re your four endings of the Marciano fight. You are ahead of me- great. A sort of thought here- not mine though. It could be that on a given night, a boxing hero, just may have been sort of invincible. Someone wisely said that match Ali and Rocky seven times, and the Rock could have lost six, and could have taken Ali out once.
Yes, that stunning destruction of powerful "Big Cat" Williams by Ali. Only 206 1bs though,this great fighting machine. What a demolition. Then the Marciano punch that wrecked Jersey Joe Walcott in their first bout. Wow.
Once in a while something comes up to make these threads hum - and no unpleasantness. Somebody is going to come up with a thread titled. Name your greatest T/V fights of all time..... LOL.
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posted on
01/20/2005 2:10:42 PM PST
by
Peter Libra
(Steady in the ranks)
To: cyborg
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posted on
01/20/2005 2:11:37 PM PST
by
F.J. Mitchell
(The Progrossive Democrats are never so small a minority that they can't screw every thing up.)
To: Ohioan
We definately agree on the sanctimony of the left. I'll just have to disagree with you about his 'flaunting'.
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posted on
01/20/2005 2:14:44 PM PST
by
cyborg
To: Petronski
At least one big difference with Johnson. Unlike today's gangstas, Johnson spoke in full, fluent, intelligent English. I saw part of it. Johnson also volunteered to fight for his country, which of course was not accepted because he was a fugitive.
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posted on
01/20/2005 2:17:06 PM PST
by
Tribune7
To: EveningStar
>angry whites rioted across the country.
If the author of this article had bothered to read history, or even watch the film, he would have known that Blacks also rioted and assaulted many Whites. There were deaths on both sides.
Give Johnson a meaningless pardon? Sure, why not. Massachusetts Democrats pardoned the obviously guilty Sacco and Vanzetti to ensure the Italian vote in the Kennedy/Kerry home state.
But of course, give all the credit for this PC Puff Party to the Democrats.... and continue to prove through our actions that government wants to buy the support of America's Black people by meaningless gestures, rather than the so-called Black leadership telling their defrauded followers to make their own successes, their own good luck, their own futures.
Any American Black who thinks they are getting a bad deal in America today should spend two weeks in West Africa.
There they will learn just how good they have it here, as opposed to the eked out Third World existence they would have there.
In addition, they would be shocked and disappointed when they learn their "African Brothers" look at them with disdain, seeing them as spoiled brats, lazy losers in life.
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posted on
01/20/2005 2:18:04 PM PST
by
MindBender26
(Having your own XM177 E2 means never having to say you are sorry......)
To: MindBender26
I'm not surprised at the tone of this piece. The MSM throws money at people who write articles such as this.
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posted on
01/20/2005 2:20:57 PM PST
by
cyborg
To: MindBender26
Give Johnson a meaningless pardon? Sure, why not. It actually would be a good chance to zing that Democratic, academic, big govt., OWG icon Woodrow Wilson.
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posted on
01/20/2005 2:24:24 PM PST
by
Tribune7
To: Doctor Stochastic
Maybe like Lincoln he was just hiding his gayness.
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