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To: GOP_1900AD

Part of the reason we defeated the Eastern Block was because the people discovered capitalism. The same thing will happen in China. Communism does not work as a long-term economic policy. Meanwhile my raw nerve is people who see a terrorist threat at the Mexican border because idiots like Michael Savage tell them to. Those who worry about China militarily are too dumb to realize that they'd have to swim here to attack us. And, I hate to break it to you, but the Russians have always hated them more than we do. If they were going to attack anybody, it'd be Russia. China has next to no natural resources. Russia has more than we do and is weaker. Money is the only reason any other country besides the USA would ever be willing to go to war.


220 posted on 01/20/2005 2:34:17 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does)
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To: presidio9

That is ludicrous.

China wants Taiwan re-annexed. Russia is not guarranteeing Taiwans protection, WE ARE.

Good greif, wake up!


223 posted on 01/20/2005 2:43:52 PM PST by JFK_Lib
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To: presidio9

Oh, yeah, and the NAzis and Jpanaese would have had to swim to get to us as well, no?

So they were never really a threat?

Your 'reasoning' leaves much room for improvement.


224 posted on 01/20/2005 2:45:09 PM PST by JFK_Lib
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To: presidio9

We have threats at our southern border. Chavez is one. Columbia Farc is another. They could blend in so well with the other illegals.


228 posted on 01/20/2005 3:28:22 PM PST by monkeywrench
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To: presidio9; TapTheSource; Frank_Discussion; Tailgunner Joe; Askel5; Orion78; DarkWaters; ...

RE: Part of the reason we defeated the Eastern Block was because the people discovered capitalism.

Read "The Perestroika Deception" and "New Lies For Old" by Anatoliy Golitsyn, then get back to me.

RE: The same thing will happen in China. Communism does not work as a long-term economic policy.

Communism in the PRC seems to be well entrenched. They have seemingly discovered a way to use a "mega-NEP" to keep the money flowing in without collapsing the Communist state. Plus, the people of the PRC (which, yes, I have spent time in) are not of the post Enlightenment, freedom loving, Western mindset; they are hierachically oriented and love to be told what to do, in general.

RE: Meanwhile my raw nerve is people who see a terrorist threat at the Mexican border because idiots like Michael Savage tell them to.

There is a possibility of terrorists entering by various means, including over land. How can you even debate this? It is the sort of logic anyone with a double digit IQ can understand.

RE: Those who worry about China militarily are too dumb to realize that they'd have to swim here to attack us.

And ICBMs, SLBMs, or even, shorter range devices snuck into Cuba could not be used? What century are you living in? Plus, on 7/16/2001, the PRC concluded a grand agreement with Russia which mentions mutual assistance. Further agreements since, (including the most recent ones, leading the join military exercises) make it clear that Russian strategic weapons may be brought to bear. This makes it a whole new game.

RE: And, I hate to break it to you, but the Russians have always hated them more than we do.

Nonesense. The only time of serious *apparent* conflict was during the period from the mid 1960s thought to the mid 80s. Even this must be questioned. Totalitarians consider *ANYTHING* to be possible, including staging fake wars, killing thousands or even millions of their own people. Have you read "Origins of Totalitarianism" by Arendt? One of the things she highlights, is that we non totalitarian countries have a very difficult time accepting this darkest of dark realities about totalitarians. Time and time again, we naively trust them, and underestimate how evil and destructive they can be.

RE: If they were going to attack anybody, it'd be Russia.

Why attack when you are being given complete access, with none of the responsibilities of ownership and jurisdiction, for fractions of a RMBY / Ruble?

RE: China has next to no natural resources.

Totally false. Granted, the PRC's petroleum resources do not meet current needs, however, in the areas of rare earth minerals and certain ores, the PRC are actually in an extremely advantageous position versus the rest of the world. Oh, and that other resource, people.

RE: Russia has more than we do and is weaker.

Weaker by what measure? Certainly not by the measures of Civil Defense preparations, oil supply, or number of strategic warheads. Etc.

RE: Money is the only reason any other country besides the USA would ever be willing to go to war.

That is a false assumption, based on projection of post 1700 Western European values. Certainly, that is how most Westerners think. But totalitarians, particularly non Western ones, do not think that way.

Just a final comment. Your "view" here is such an exagerated characature of wishful, utopian, anti Clausewitzian, liberal, "modern" Western thinking, that I must admit that I suspect you to be anything but a Westerner. This almost seems like agitational propaganda to me.


235 posted on 01/20/2005 5:25:10 PM PST by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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