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Robert Shrum's avoiding D.C.(Bush's victory in Ohio yet again shrinks 55K)
NY Daily News ^ | 01/19/05 | Daily Dish

Posted on 01/19/2005 7:45:36 AM PST by GWB00

Sen. John Kerry's political guru, Robert Shrum: "We're just going to stay in Washington while getting ready for our move [to New York, where Shrum, starting next month, will teach at NYU]. My aim is to stay out of the 'limited traffic zone.' How am I feeling? Disappointed. Right now, I'm waiting for a camera crew from CNN to interview me about Karl Rove. Just think, a switch of 55,000 votes in Ohio, and I wouldn't have been doing this interview. But you've got to be gracious."


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bobshrum; ohio
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I am still amazed at how the actual number that President Bush won in Ohio keeps shrinking in the media. This morning I read 70K and Shrum now says 55K. The last I read was 117K anybody have the actual update?
1 posted on 01/19/2005 7:45:38 AM PST by GWB00
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To: GWB00

I think he means if 55,000 Bush voters voted for Kerry, they would have won. Technically, it's closer to 60,000. But hey, no one ever said Dems were good at math.


2 posted on 01/19/2005 7:47:04 AM PST by TexasAg1996
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To: GWB00

He's saying a switch of 55K votes from Bush to Kerry...which would be a 110K vote difference.


3 posted on 01/19/2005 7:47:19 AM PST by TheBigB (Life is good. It'd be better if Jaime Pressly was here naked with a pizza. But it's still damn good.)
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To: GWB00
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118,700+ - The recounts only moved about 300 votes total into Kerry's column...
4 posted on 01/19/2005 7:47:41 AM PST by KMC1
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To: GWB00
I think Shum's point is if 55,000 votes switched, Kerry would have won (each switch is one less vote for Bush, one more for Kerry.)
5 posted on 01/19/2005 7:48:52 AM PST by vrwinger ("Peace on earth and mercy mild; God and sinners reconciled." -- The gifts of the season)
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To: TexasAg1996
But hey, no one ever said Dems were good at math.

I now get Shrum's point (even though the number keeps shifting in the media). Maybe I should join the Democratic Party? NOT!

6 posted on 01/19/2005 7:49:36 AM PST by GWB00
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To: GWB00

55K switch means 110,000 vote margin.

The fallacy is thinking there would have been an isolated switch in Ohio and no other states. It's likely if Bush had lost Ohio by that margin he would have lost other states as well.


7 posted on 01/19/2005 7:50:33 AM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: vrwinger

Shrum's point has a hat on it.


8 posted on 01/19/2005 7:50:40 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: GWB00

Okay, then: a switch of 5,500 in Wisconsin -- or fewer Chicago union guys bussed in for the day to vote -- and we'd have an "Ohio-proof" margin.


9 posted on 01/19/2005 7:50:48 AM PST by alancarp (When does it cease to be "Freedom of the Press" and become outright SEDITION?)
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To: GWB00

He is almost accurate. A switch of 55K voters from Bush to Kerry means 55K less votes for Bush and 55K more for Kerry. Margin goes down by 110K.

Bush won by 110K

actually means the same as

A switch of 55K votes would have made it equal.

Of course, Shrum prefers to say the second, so that the margin looks less.


11 posted on 01/19/2005 7:55:18 AM PST by AdrianR
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To: GWB00
Just think, a switch of 55,000 votes in Ohio

As they say, if grandma had a beard, she would be grandpa

12 posted on 01/19/2005 7:55:48 AM PST by eclectic (Liberalism is a mental disorder)
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To: eclectic

If ifs and buts were candy and nuts, what a wonderful Christmas we would have.

Except that the Democrats don't want us to celebrate Christmas, I forgot.


13 posted on 01/19/2005 7:58:02 AM PST by texasmountainman (proud father of a U.S. Marine)
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To: GWB00

Well, I think Shrum is assuming the "swing" was 55k, meaning the actual margin would be something like 100K. He's obviously trying to make it sound like a thin margin, when in fact it was a solid red state.


14 posted on 01/19/2005 7:58:47 AM PST by happyathome
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To: GWB00

Shrum teach at NYU?
What's he gonna teach? How to be a loser! LMAO


15 posted on 01/19/2005 8:06:54 AM PST by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: GWB00

Even so... 55,000 is still a LARGE number. Here are 55,000 "dots" to make that point - each one representing an individual who voted for Bush who would have to have been pursuaded to change their vote to Kerry:

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Sorry for the SPAM, but I did it to make a point. 55K is not a trivial number.


16 posted on 01/19/2005 8:09:00 AM PST by So Cal Rocket (Proud Member: Internet Pajama Wearers for Truth)
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To: kellynla

Shrum's not just any old loser - he's a perpetual, continuous, repeat loser and interviewing him is kinds like the Miller Lite commercials that featured the retired baseball player whose career had been a complete disaster. I'm not a big sports fan, but I remember that having him as a spokeman was a very successful "inside joke".

As to why NYU students would want to learn their craft from a tried and true loser is a mystery. We can only hope that they learn well and go forth to manage the campaigns of lefty Democrats.


17 posted on 01/19/2005 8:15:58 AM PST by Emmett McCarthy
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To: So Cal Rocket
Sorry for the SPAM, but I did it to make a point. 55K is not a trivial number.

Actually, I don't feel spammed at all. That was a remarkably clever way to illustrate just how stupid and desperate the Democrats are right now. Well done.

18 posted on 01/19/2005 8:18:54 AM PST by standupfortruth
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To: So Cal Rocket
Sorry for the SPAM, but I did it to make a point. 55K is not a trivial number.

Excellent illustration!

19 posted on 01/19/2005 8:32:04 AM PST by GWB00
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To: Emmett McCarthy
the Miller Lite commercials that featured the retired baseball player whose career had been a complete disaster. I'm not a big sports fan, but I remember that having him as a spokesman was a very successful "inside joke".

I think you are thinking of Bob Uecker. He wasn't a very good baseball player but Uecker was a great spokesman for baseball, the voice of the Milwaukee Brewers, best remembered by most from the Miller beer commercials and loved by all.

As far as Shrum is concerned, the NYU job is just a paycheck that is obvious payback for his loyalty to the 'Rat party!
20 posted on 01/19/2005 8:38:39 AM PST by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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