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Gun Trade-In Has Town's Cops in Hot Seat
Fox News ^ | January 18, 2005 | N/A

Posted on 01/19/2005 6:15:20 AM PST by looscnnn

SWEETWATER, Fla. — The town of Sweetwater isn't making friends with other local police departments.

Sweetwater's top cop says he doesn't have enough money to buy new guns for his officers — so he's got no choice but to trade in old guns for new ones at a local gun store.

Critics call the "trade-in" program a big mistake. "When you buy a used gun, it's like buying a used car — you're not going to pay top dollar for it," said John Shanks, director of law enforcement relations at the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence. "These guns are going to go back into the civilian market. They're going to be very inexpensive to buy."

But Police Chief Roberto Fulgueira says that unless $20,000 magically appear in his budget, he is forced to trade in weapons. "I have a moral obligation to my men, to their families and to the community," said Fulgueira. "Number one, I'm not going to send my men out there with weapons that are going to malfunction."

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: bang; banglist; donutwatch; florida; guns
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1 posted on 01/19/2005 6:15:21 AM PST by looscnnn
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To: Joe Brower

Bang


2 posted on 01/19/2005 6:15:44 AM PST by looscnnn ("Your so wise, like a minature Buddha covered in hair" Ron Burgundy)
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To: looscnnn

I wish the Brady's would tell me where they can get these used guns cheap. Every Auction I have been to, the firearms went for WAY over their value when the Hammer came down.


3 posted on 01/19/2005 6:19:18 AM PST by Reba703 (Here we GO STEELERS, Here we go !!)
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To: looscnnn
"These guns are going to go back into the civilian market. They're going to be very inexpensive to buy."

To quote Martha Stewart, "and that's a good thing."

4 posted on 01/19/2005 6:24:41 AM PST by white trash redneck (Everything I needed to know about Islam I learned on 9-11-01.)
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To: looscnnn; Squantos
"When you buy a used gun, it's like buying a used car — you're not going to pay top dollar for it,"

BS, a reasonably well maintained car still wears out. A reasonably well maintained gun will last for damn near forever.

They ain't cheap either.

5 posted on 01/19/2005 6:30:13 AM PST by Eaker ("I am a Scientist ............... and that was fast for me.")
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To: looscnnn

Yep just check out places like CDNN Investments...download their catalog and you will find
nice police trade ins...they gottcher Glocks, Rugers, and yer Sigs and once in a while even some H&Ks...happy hunting.

When you find something you like...find an FFL dealer who will do special order for you and charge you anywhere from $10-$30 for the transfer..If he doesn't have an FFL on file with CDNN ask him for a signed copy or take him a stamped envelope to his shop and offer to mail it for him...


6 posted on 01/19/2005 6:31:23 AM PST by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: looscnnn

Much ado over nothing.
Shut up and deal the losers squeal.


7 posted on 01/19/2005 6:34:26 AM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: looscnnn

I bought an LE's service pistol (Colt Diamondback) once and it was pretty well used. They get a lot of holster wear and tend to get dinged up when the LE gets in and out of the car and wrestles with perps. It works well, but it's not pretty.


8 posted on 01/19/2005 6:36:48 AM PST by mbynack
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To: Eaker
I picked up an Illinois State Police Model 19 about 15 years ago for 250.00. Man that thing was sweet. It was a model made specifically for the ISP. Combat hammer, target trigger, adjustable sights, and it the springs had been broken in nice and smooth by lots of range time.

I had it for about 10 years when I sold it for $100.00 more than I paid for it.

I sold it to my neighbor who prefers it over the Glock 29 he bought last years.

As usual, I'm sorry I sold it.

L

9 posted on 01/19/2005 6:41:24 AM PST by Lurker (Caution: Poster is too old to give a s*** anymore.)
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To: looscnnn

John Shanks is a turd.

He was a cop in the San Antonio area and used to teach at one of the Local Police Academies. Pretty good instructor too. Well respected by all. Had a pretty no-BS style.

Then he got the job with the VPC and sold his soul to that group of gun grabbing propagandist scum.

I thought when he announced the job, that he might bring some sanity to that buncha loons. I was so wrong.


10 posted on 01/19/2005 6:43:04 AM PST by 5Madman2 (DemocRATS are Vermin)
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To: looscnnn
I'm not going to send my men out there with weapons that are going to malfunction

Are the officers of Sweetwater patrolling the streets with flintlocks? Even cheap Chinese and Eastern European firearms are as reliable as an axe with even basic cleaning and routine maintenance. The mere fact that the Brady Bunch compares guns to cars should be enough to flag the analogy as flawed -- you don't have to trade a well maintained gun for a new one every few years to have a reliable weapon. My granddaddy's handguns are every bit as reliable as any pistol new out of the box.

If Chief Fulgueira needs money to arm new officers with new weapons, he has a problem. If he "needs" to trade in existing officers' guns for new ones for "reliability" -- he's got a heck of a lot bigger problem than his budget.

11 posted on 01/19/2005 6:47:21 AM PST by Edsquire
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To: Eaker
A reasonably well maintained gun will last for damn near forever

Depends on how much you use it. You use it and it will wear out. .220 Swift I bought in '70 needed to be rebarreled after about (guestimate here) 3000 rnds. (5 years). Sold it.

12 posted on 01/19/2005 7:01:18 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy, and Bush is no conservative)
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To: looscnnn

Sweetwater...the mean streets of Dade County and the hopeless look in the eyes of ballot inspectors. It figures.


13 posted on 01/19/2005 7:31:51 AM PST by Lee Heggy (For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong. H.L. Mencken)
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To: looscnnn
"These guns are going to go back into the civilian market. They're going to be very inexpensive to buy."

Rubbish. These people don't even understand how capitalism works.

14 posted on 01/19/2005 7:36:04 AM PST by need_a_screen_name
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To: from occupied ga
3000 rounds???

I have easily put 3000 rounds through my AR15 and Glock 27 and neither have any barrel wear at all.

I find this quite suprising.

15 posted on 01/19/2005 8:12:41 AM PST by Eaker ("I am a Scientist ............... and that was fast for me.")
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To: looscnnn

It would hardly be a responsible use of taxpayer dollars for the department to destroy the guns which still have a good deal of resale value. Would they destroy their used police cars when they need to buy new ones?


16 posted on 01/19/2005 8:24:44 AM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Eaker

Depends on how you measure it. I used it at 200 - 300 yd as a varmit gun. It just didn't group as tight after a while. I attributed this to barrel wear. I've has some other guns that required replacement parts in time too. a 1916 shotgun doesn't feed properly, and as you can imagine, there aren't any handy replacement parts. The most irritating was a colt python where the hammer spur broke. I wrote to colt saying that should be a warranty repair, but since I had it more than a year they told me TS


17 posted on 01/19/2005 8:29:16 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy, and Bush is no conservative)
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To: from occupied ga; Eaker

A .220 Swift bullet leaves the muzzle at about 4200 fps. In still air, you can see a trail of blue smoke from the vaporizing copper jacket!
At such a speed, the tiny wobble of the bullet as it leaves the muzzle is enough to wear the muzzle out very quickly. The cure is to have the muzzle re-crowned periodically.
My father and I used to hunt woodchucks in the Catskills with an old gun-collector named Abe Levine almost 50 years ago. Abe could read the wind and mirage like nobody else I ever saw. He took a woodchuck at 600 paces with that old Swift.
Whenever the gun started to lose a little accuracy, Abe would trim the barrel a little and it was good as new.


18 posted on 01/19/2005 8:59:20 AM PST by thatsmrfoster2u (Wake me up early, be good to my dogs, and teach my children to pray)
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To: Eaker
That is because rounds like the .220 Swift are grossly 'overpowered' with a lot of powder for their small bore, and they burn so hot that they actually vaporize a small amount of barrel steel with every round.

The .223 round doesn't burn nearly as hot, and unless you are fortunate to have a full-auto rifle (which also gets hot enough to burn steel) your AR should have a much longer barrel life.

19 posted on 01/19/2005 9:02:38 AM PST by Sender (Team Infidel USA)
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To: looscnnn
"When you buy a used gun, it's like buying a used car — you're not going to pay top dollar for it," said John Shanks, director of law enforcement relations at the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence. "These guns are going to go back into the civilian market. They're going to be very inexpensive to buy."

And that means that THOSE people might be able to afford one.

20 posted on 01/19/2005 9:06:37 AM PST by MileHi
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