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To: Gondring
It would obviously be silly to demand changes to the Constitution while seceding...but either intentionally or not, you seem to like to evade such simple logic in your replies.

If it seems that I fail to see the logic in your arguements it may be because I often fail to see any facts that back them up. There were no negotiations because there were no negotiators. The Hartford Convention did issue a declaration, which was read into the record of the House and Senate, but there was no delegation making demands of the Administration and there were no threats made to secede. And if you have any evidence to the contrary then by all means bring it out.

You're arguing a straw man, though...because the fact is that it is well known there was serious talk of secession, if not for the efforts of moderates to attempt a two-pronged approach of demands and negotiation first.

And from what I've read of the convention, talk of secession was voted down very early on as premature. No threats of secession are apparent in the declaration itself. Again, if you have any information to the contrary then by all means trot it out.

381 posted on 01/20/2005 2:47:53 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
And from what I've read of the convention, talk of secession was voted down very early on as premature.

Oh...so they DID consider it, huh? Gee...that's just what I was saying...

In other words, the moderates prevailed, and it was decided to issue the declaration first in an attempt to get concessions, but secession was the option if they didn't.

I'm still waiting to see these proceedings of the secret meetings that you've found. From what I have read, there were no records of the proceedings, only the Report and Resolutions, and general descriptions of what had occurred.

...but there was no delegation making demands of the Administration and there were no threats made to secede. And if you have any evidence to the contrary then by all means bring it out.

Another strawman. It has already been pointed out that the threat to secede was pre-empted by the end of the war! However, if you want an account of the Massachusetts commissioners, here's an excerpt from the uncredited Hartford Convention Wikipedia entry:

Hartford Convention delegates were apparently in favor of New England's secession from the United States, and either forming an independent republic, or reuniting with Britain. No such resolution was adopted at the convention; however, Massachusetts actually sent three commissioners to Washington, D.C. to negotiate these terms. When they arrived in February, 1815, news of Andrew Jackson's success at the Battle of New Orleans, and the signing of the Treaty of Ghent, preceded them and, consequently, their presence in the capital seemed both ludicrous and subversive. They quickly returned to Massachusetts.

385 posted on 01/20/2005 3:03:12 PM PST by Gondring (They can have my Bill of Rights when they pry it from my cold, dead hands!)
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