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10 warning signs of pension peril (how safe is your pension?)
moneycentral.msn.com ^ | 1/18/2005 | Liz Pulliam Weston

Posted on 01/18/2005 11:58:33 AM PST by bedolido

If you have a traditional pension plan and aren’t worried about its survival, you should be paying more attention. Here are the doomsday signals and how to take action. 2004 was a terrible year for so-called defined-benefit plans, which promise a set benefit in retirement. (The plans are the opposite of defined-contribution plans like 401(k)s, which make no promises about future benefits.)

Here’s the toll: Four out of five defined-benefit plans offered by private companies are underfunded, meaning they don’t have enough assets to pay promised benefits.

Yet another huge plan -- the one for United Airlines pilots -- is about to be terminated, slicing retirees’ payouts by an average 39%, according to the pilots’ union. The UAL retirement program is the fourth pension plan with liabilities of more than $1 billion to be turned over to the Pension Benefit Guaranty Corp. (PBGC), the quasi-government agency that insures pensions, since 2002.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: pension; plans; signs; warning

1 posted on 01/18/2005 11:58:36 AM PST by bedolido
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To: bedolido

Very interesting article. I think it's worth noting that something like nine of the ten companies identified in this article for their pension fund woes are in the steel and airline industries.


2 posted on 01/18/2005 12:08:48 PM PST by Alberta's Child (It could be worse . . . I could've missed my calling.)
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To: Alberta's Child

And all are heavily union dominated.


3 posted on 01/18/2005 12:10:25 PM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all things that need to be done need to be done by the government.)
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To: bedolido

Even worse. The Federal Gov't (meaning the U.S. taxpayer) is on the hook for these when they go belly up.


4 posted on 01/18/2005 12:11:54 PM PST by Wolfie
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To: bedolido

Defined benefits are doomed, kinda like social security.


5 posted on 01/18/2005 12:13:20 PM PST by 1Old Pro
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To: bedolido
If you have a traditional pension plan and aren’t worried about its survival, you should be paying more attention.

Correction, if I may:

If you have a traditional pension plan and are counting on its survival, you should be paying more attention. ...
;O)
6 posted on 01/18/2005 12:16:50 PM PST by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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To: bedolido
Oh yeah, we're talking about serious Panzi Scheme on a lot of these. When the plans were set up, they didn't take downsizing, early retirement offers or mechanization into account. Now there's fewer people paying in each year, and more people cashing out.
7 posted on 01/18/2005 12:46:43 PM PST by .cnI redruM (Dean For DNC Chair, Gore For The Nomination!)
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To: bedolido

The very concept of a traditional pension is obsolete... Other than government jobs, not too many places even have a traditional pension.. nor should they, they are failed models fiscally.


8 posted on 01/18/2005 12:48:34 PM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: Alberta's Child
I think it's worth noting that something like nine of the ten companies identified in this article for their pension fund woes are in the steel and airline industries.

...and the understood role of unions in the creation of the debacle; and the facile concessions made to those unions year after year, such that the problem, if any, would not arise until the far far future. That future is now or very close!

9 posted on 01/18/2005 1:17:24 PM PST by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are hydrogen, ignorance and stupidity.)
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To: bedolido
Dr. Kontilikoff at Boston University has written extensively about this: The Coming Generational Storm.
10 posted on 01/18/2005 4:27:59 PM PST by Meldrim
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To: Publius6961

The most efficient plan is that operated by Nucor. They simply cut workers a large check when they are complete. You'll be free to manage well or manage poorly.


11 posted on 01/18/2005 4:29:40 PM PST by Meldrim
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To: Wolfie


After 1999 companies were allowed to siphon off money from these plans, money that didn't even belong to them. Now many plans are underfunded.... big surprise, well no;

The Supreme Court ruled unanimously in 1999 that companies do not have keep surpluses in their pension plans , even if the workers contributed to these plans through money withheld from their paychecks. Norman Stein, who teaches pension law at the University of Alabama, said, "This was a plan funded by the employees with their money, and to say that the employees don't have an interest in their own money is absurd."

http://www.laborers.org/nyt_pensions_1-26-99.html

If it weren't for the feds meddling in employes money to begin with then we would not have had to pitch in now, and as voters who allowed this to happen then the we the people as the government should be responsible for damages to these plans.


12 posted on 05/17/2005 6:50:13 PM PDT by seastay
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