To: ml1954
You are confusing religion with science No, I'm not.
Religion is not science and science is not religion
That is correct.
Science cannot prove or disprove the existence of God
That is correct as well, by definition.
Unfortunately, for over 500 years, some adherents of some religions are always attacking science thinking that science is attacking religion
That statement belies your anti-fact bias against creationism. The following is a partial list of "adherents to some religions" (Christianity) who were both scientists and creationists. Note that the "founder" of the scientific method was a creation science adherent. Note the names you've read in your textbooks showing up again and again....
Early
- Francis Bacon (1561-1626) Scientific method.
- Johann Kepler (1571-1630) (WOH) Scientific astronomy
- Athanasius Kircher (1601-1680) Inventor
- John Wilkins (1614-1672)
- Walter Charleton (1619-1707) President of the Royal College of Physicians
- Blaise Pascal (1623-1662) Hydrostatics; Barometer
- Sir William Petty (1623 -1687) Statistics; Scientific economics
- Robert Boyle (1627-1691) (WOH) Chemistry; Gas dynamics
- John Ray (1627-1705) Natural history
- Isaac Barrow (1630-1677) Professor of Mathematics
- Nicolas Steno (1631-1686) Stratigraphy
- Thomas Burnet (1635-1715) Geology
- Increase Mather (1639-1723) Astronomy
- Nehemiah Grew (1641-1712) Medical Doctor, Botany
The Age of Newton
- Isaac Newton (1642-1727) (WOH) Dynamics; Calculus; Gravitation law; Reflecting telescope; Spectrum of light (wrote more about the Bible than science, and emphatically affirmed a Creator.)
- Gottfried Wilhelm Leibnitz (1646-1716) Mathematician
- John Flamsteed (1646-1719) Greenwich Observatory Founder; Astronomy
- William Derham (1657-1735) Ecology
- Cotton Mather (1662-1727) Physician
- John Harris (1666-1719) Mathematician
- John Woodward (1665-1728) Paleontology
- William Whiston (1667-1752) Physics, Geology
- John Hutchinson (1674-1737) Paleontology
- Johathan Edwards (1703-1758) Physics, Meteorology
- Carolus Linneaus (1707-1778) Taxonomy; Biological classification system
- Jean Deluc (1727-1817) Geology
- Richard Kirwan (1733-1812) Mineralogy
- William Herschel (1738-1822) Galactic astronomy; Uranus
- James Parkinson (1755-1824) Physician
- John Dalton (1766-1844) Atomic theory; Gas law
- John Kidd, M.D. (1775-1851) Chemical synthetics
Just Before Darwin
- Timothy Dwight (1752-1817) Educator
- William Kirby (1759-1850) Entomologist
- Jedidiah Morse (1761-1826) Geographer
- Benjamin Barton (1766-1815) Botanist; Zoologist
- John Dalton (1766-1844) Father of the Modern Atomic Theory; Chemistry
- Georges Cuvier (1769-1832) Comparative anatomy, paleontology
- Samuel Miller (1770-1840) Clergy
- Charles Bell (1774-1842) Anatomist
- John Kidd (1775-1851) Chemistry
- Humphrey Davy (1778-1829) Thermokinetics; Safety lamp
- Benjamin Silliman (1779-1864) Mineralogist
- Peter Mark Roget (1779-1869) Physician; Physiologist
- Thomas Chalmers (1780-1847) Professor
- David Brewster (1781-1868) Optical mineralogy, Kaleidoscope
- William Buckland (1784-1856) Geologist
- William Prout (1785-1850) Food chemistry
- Adam Sedgwick (1785-1873) Geology
- Michael Faraday (1791-1867) (WOH) Electro magnetics; Field theory, Generator
- Samuel F.B. Morse (1791-1872) Telegraph
- John Herschel (1792-1871) Astronomy
- Edward Hitchcock (1793-1864) Geology
- William Whewell (1794-1866) Anemometer
- Joseph Henry (1797-1878) Electric motor; Galvanometer
Just After Darwin
- Richard Owen (1804-1892) Zoology; Paleontology
- Matthew Maury (1806-1873) Oceanography, Hydrography
- Louis Agassiz (1807-1873) Glaciology, Ichthyology
- Henry Rogers (1808-1866) Geology
- James Glaisher (1809-1903) Meteorology
- Philip H. Gosse (1810-1888) Ornithologist; Zoology
- Sir Henry Rawlinson (1810-1895) Archeologist
- James Simpson (1811-1870) Gynecology, Anesthesiology
- James Dana (1813-1895) Geology
- Sir Joseph Henry Gilbert (1817-1901) Agricultural Chemist
- James Joule (1818-1889) Thermodynamics
- Thomas Anderson (1819-1874) Chemist
- Charles Piazzi Smyth (1819-1900) Astronomy
- George Stokes (1819-1903) Fluid Mechanics
- John William Dawson (1820-1899) Geology
- Rudolph Virchow (1821-1902) Pathology
- Gregor Mendel (1822-1884) (WOH) Genetics
- Louis Pasteur (1822-1895) (WOH) Bacteriology, Biochemistry; Sterilization; Immunization
- Henri Fabre (1823-1915) Entomology of living insects
- William Thompson, Lord Kelvin (1824-1907) Energetics; Absolute temperatures; Atlantic cable
- William Huggins (1824-1910) Astral spectrometry
- Bernhard Riemann (1826-1866) Non-Euclidean geometries
- Joseph Lister (1827-1912) Antiseptic surgery
- Balfour Stewart (1828-1887) Ionospheric electricity
- James Clerk Maxwell (1831-1879)(WOH) Electrodynamics; Statistical thermodynamics
- P.G. Tait (1831-1901) Vector analysis
- John Bell Pettigrew (1834-1908) Anatomist; Physiologist
- John Strutt, Lord Rayleigh (1842-1919) Similitude; Model Analysis; Inert Gases
- Sir William Abney (1843-1920) Astronomy
- Alexander MacAlister (1844-1919) Anatomy
- A.H. Sayce (1845-1933) Archeologist
- John Ambrose Fleming (1849-1945) Electronics; Electron tube; Thermionic valve
The Modern Period
- Dr Clifford Burdick, Geologist
- George Washington Carver (1864-1943) Inventor
- L. Merson Davies (1890-1960) Geology; Paleontology
- Douglas Dewar (1875-1957) Ornithologist
- Howard A. Kelly (1858-1943) Gynecology
- Paul Lemoine (1878-1940) Geology
- Dr Frank Marsh, Biology
- Dr John Mann, Agriculturist, biological control pioneer
- Edward H. Maunder (1851-1928) Astronomy
- William Mitchell Ramsay (1851-1939) Archeologist
- William Ramsay (1852-1916) Isotopic chemistry, Element transmutation
- Charles Stine (1882-1954) Organic Chemist
- Dr Arthur Rendle-Short (1885-1955) Surgeon
- Sir Cecil P. G. Wakeley (1892-1979) Surgeon
- Dr Larry Butler, Biochemist
- Prof. Verna Wright, Rheumatologist (deceased 1997)
- Arthur E. Wilder-Smith (1915-1995) Three science doctorates; a creation science pioneer
344 posted on
01/19/2005 7:09:44 AM PST by
Theo
To: Theo
Interesting that neary all your list is comprised of dead people. All but a few died befor the discovery of DNA. Most of the rest died before genome sequencing and comparitive genetics. So you are left with, at most, four guys who have lived long enough to see the full range of evidence.
I could probably find four PhDs in mathematics who buy lotto tickets.
I would be a bit more impressed if you limited your list to people who have published research papers on relevan topics in the last ten or twenty years.
347 posted on
01/19/2005 7:43:33 AM PST by
js1138
(D*mn, I Missed!)
To: Theo
Yawn.
Note to self: In the future, don't bother to post in threads about 'creation science' or 'intelligent design'. These are really religious discussions, and not about science.
352 posted on
01/19/2005 7:55:42 AM PST by
ml1954
To: Theo
The suck-ups to idiocy dismiss such lists but I still love them.
It still boggles my mind . . . we have absolutely
NO
EVIDENCE
IN ANY SPHERE
of chaos observably, experimentally or otherwise tangibly resulting in more and more elegant order--not in our lifetime--not in recent centuries--not in recorded millenia.
NONE.
Yet, in a very long list of THE MOST COMPLEX CASES--incredible organisms, this
GREAT IDIOTIC LEAP OF UTTER BLIND FAITH labeled evolution is considered the HOLY, righteous, flawless, truest truth GRAIL.
Fascinating psychology; fascinating sociology; fascinating idiocy.
359 posted on
01/19/2005 8:13:46 AM PST by
Quix
(HAVING A FORM of GODLINESS but DENYING IT'S POWER. 2 TIM 3:5)
To: Theo; ml1954
It's interestin that your first list (The early period) begins with Francis Bacon, a giant of science.
And your last list (The modern period) begins with Clifford Burdick, who believed in giants.
Dr. Clifford Burdick of the CSRC (Creation Science Research Center) is a "flood" geologist who has spent forty years trying to prove that giant humans once roamed the earth and even mingled with the dinosaurs.
Burdick has displayed a copy of his Ph.D. from the University of Physical Sciences (Phoenix, Arizona) in the Glen Rose Creation Evidence Museum. However, the State of Arizona Board of Regents, the University of Arizona Department of Geology, and the Arizona State Bureau of Geology and Mineral Technology have never heard of this "university." CREDENTIALS BAUGH BURDICK BLISS
And not even Answers in Genesis is backing Burdick's main claim to infamy, the Glen Rose Tracks, anymore.
439 posted on
01/19/2005 2:06:20 PM PST by
Oztrich Boy
(Creationism. quote mining since 1858)
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