Posted on 01/17/2005 1:49:13 PM PST by ICE-FLYER
I am sure that all of you have at one time or another heard how Jefferson is accused of having had sex with a slave, how Washington had feelings for another woman, how Lincoln was not all he was made out to be.
Well, what do we know factually about Dr. King? He has been made into a saint of sorts. There can be no question that his impact is a good and positive one. That he did for blacks what was long over due. But say a bad word about him and you are a hateful racist. However, bash the founding fathers or Lincoln and you are a "enlightened free thinker" who does not conform to what the angry white males want you be.
I have heard rumor about Dr. King but what I want is facts.
Here we go again.
It's getting tiring.
Dr. King was neither a saint nor evil. He was a human being with flaws and virtues, just as we all are. That said, he led the fight for a movement whose time was, in fact, overdue. I may not agree with everything he said and did, but I will respect and honor his good works and his memory.
The FBI under J. Edgar Hoover, who was no saint, has or maybe had recordings of king in hotel/motel rooms engaged in orgies with white women. JEH tried to expose his hypocrisy but RFK stopped JEH from exposing the info. It was highlighted in a movie about JEH about 15 - 20 years ago. Is that enough info?
Can you judge a man by the company he keeps? Who rode his coattails?
To a point. I do not, though, judge a man by those who attach themselves, falsely, to his memory after his passing.
Especially Jesse Jackson who used MLK name for his own purpose..
And Strom Thurmond was a segregationist who fathered a child with a black woman. Seems both did more to bring the races together than we knew at the time.
Its opinion. No disrespect but I am asking for provable facts. Where can I find such FBI information? Why have I never heard of these recordings in the open?
Already on this thread I see "Here we go again" and "This is getting tired." really? Facts tire or bore people? I would like to see them.
The charge against Jefferson is completly made up on the basis of a Scottish Phampleteere named James T. Challender. He was run out of Scotland for his doings and jailed in this country for his slanderous and liabalous writings. He was PARDONED by Jefferson but wrote this charge of him anyway.
So in the case of Jefferson, the greatest blight charged against him has evidence saying its not true. I know little of King other than his speech and what he stood for. I am asking for the facts on him.
This reminded me again why I refuse to have Oprah on in my house. I'll never forgive her for her show about Jefferson's black decendants when she made the whites in the audience apologize for slavery.
How is it possible to MAKE someone apologize? Either they feel like apologizing, or they don't.
See this thread:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1322580/posts
Lincoln and Washingtions's birthdays were consolidated into one day and the name then changed to Presidents Day, I feel King should lose his name on the title also and it should be called Civil Rights Day... If Washington and Lincoln can't have a day named after them King sure as hell should NOT, if it wasn't for Lincoln, King wouldn't have a pot to piss in!
One of them, Madison Hemings, was living in Ohio in 1870. I have looked at the census record which shows his name. The census-taker wrote next to his entry: "This man is the son of Thomas Jefferson." Obviously he got that from Madison.
The late Fawn Brodie, not the most reliable of historians, managed to find other descendants of Sally Hemings who had preserved the same tradition.
The DNA evidence that was published in 1998 showed that some of Sally's male descendants have the Jefferson Y-chromosome, indicating that they are descended either from Jefferson or one of his male relatives (it has been calculated that there were 17 men living near enough to Monticello to be potential sources for that Y-chromosome for Sally's sons).
I'd say at this point that it's a possibility but unproven. Do Sally's descendants preserve a true tradition, or did her children decide that it more prestigious to claim Thomas Jefferson rather than his brother or one of his cousins?
As with Lincoln, it isn't so much one man who deserves the honor, but a generation. We can argue about the legacy of the 1960s and the details of King's career, but the civil rights movement was on the whole beneficial, and within that movement King was on the whole an influence for the better, rather than for the worse.
It may not just be political correctness or deference to minority wishes that inhibits criticism of King, but a lingering feeling that the changes the civil rights movement brought are still reversible or controversial. As that insecurity fades we'll come to have a more complete view of King and his good and bad sides.
No, it is not opinion. It is fact.
Do a google search.
I said absolutely nothing about Strom Thurmond. The poster asked a question about King.
I merely answered the question and made no mention of Thurmond. How did he get into this picture?
I second that. There were a lot more leaders in the civil rights movement than Dr. King.
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