Graner gets 10 years for torture

[AVNevis]

Per MSNBC

[MEG33]

PIFFLE

[KiloLima]

This could never have happened without the slavering liberal media and its bias.

Nor without a weak-kneed politically correct response!

[Txsleuth]

In comparing what you wanted to happen--the US going in and just flattening Fallujah, you would be condemning to death Iraqi men, women and children that had no other desire than to live peacefully after the war---

Now, if we don't prosecute the scum that caused the problems in the prison, we would be condemning the wrath of the Iraqis on ALL of the troops over there for something that they not only didn't do, but was just the opposite of what they want--to help.

Like I said earlier, although I hope that Iraq will become peaceful for the Iraqi people that want it and will die for it, it is our troops that are my concern, and they don't deserve to be destroyed by "one bomb" thrown by these idiots.

[Getsmart64]

I don't know about that article you referenced....only person they named was his ex-wife.....a wife calls the cops and said you were beating them when you were in bed sleeping...you're going to jail...not much in that article...sorry...

[AlexW]

"You must feel the need to shower after those site visits...."

No, really there are few of us good guys on there, but there are some that make my blood boil.

[Steel Wolf]

Unbelievable! Graner is a scapegoat for all the higher-ups who gave the orders for Abu Ghraib.

There were no higher ups that gave orders to make naked prisoner pyramids. Anyone who knows anything about today's Army officers or military intelligence could tell you that. That line is an asinine assertation spun from whole cloth by desperate soldiers facing severe punishment, gladly abbetted by the slavering liberal media.

This could never have happened without the slavering liberal media and its bias. Mary Mapes was the architect of the whole thing.

Blame the people who took pictures of themselves breaking the law.

Torture is the Bataan Death March. Torture is...

This isn't torture, despite what the media calls it. Graner violated a number of Army regulations, and is being punished. That's how good order and discipline are maintained. The media may be obsessing over torture, but the military is focusing on adherence to policy.

Graner should have been given a few medals, instead of this excessive and unjust punishment.

Medals for what? Breaking the law? Embarassing his unit and branch of service? Making a joke out of America, and laying a cloud of suspicion over our motives and methods in Iraq?

[Getsmart64]

Looking at your posts...you seem to call people stupid when someone disagrees with you and when you have no basis of fact...is that your only defense?...to call people stupid when they have disagreements with you??...sheesh....

[nopardons]

Welcome! :-)

[KiloLima]

Okay, military police.

I cannot disagree with your other points, about Mapes omitting information and about Karpinski whining to save her arse.

The timing of the release of the photos without divulging that an investigation was already ongoing is key here. I'm glad you pointed that out because for awhile there you seemed to be a victim of media manipulation rather than seeing through it.

[my_pointy_head_is_sharp]

I just heard one of the news channels call it humilation. Not abuse, not torture. Humiliation. So, Graner got 10 years for humilating a prisoner.

[Getsmart64]

maybe he should have cut his head off eh?

[MEG33]

BUMP!

[rommy]

Torture is standing naked Jews out in an icy prison yard in subzero temperatures for hours. Had Graner been a German when the Nazi party came to power, I have no doubt that he would have been among the first to don a brown shirt and jackboots. His mentality is identical to the mentality of those who perpetrated all of the horrors you mentioned. More to the point though, he's a criminal and deserves to pay for his crimes. Nobody is ever above the law. That is one of the founding principles of modern Western civilization. Repeat. Nobody is EVER above the law. To say that he should be given a medal is disgusting.

[Poohbah]

Medals for what? Breaking the law? Embarassing his unit and branch of service? Making a joke out of America, and laying a cloud of suspicion over our motives and methods in Iraq?

I think everyone I've pinged finds it fascinating that there are "conservatives" out there who think that military regulations are merely suggestions, to be broken on a whim, without adverse consequence.

[Getsmart64]

Birds of a feather....

[Poohbah]

Graner got 10 years for violating Army orders, and ordering others to do so.

[Getsmart64]

Hmmm...as someone trained in how to handle POWs...you have some awful big shoes to prove there...

[MEG33]

read#186..get smart.

[nopardons]

No,pet,first YOU apologize to me and the rest of the forum for posting garbage,then apologize to me,for all of the personal attack,and then YOU give us a precise of this entire case,including answering your own silly,irrelevant query. These prisoners,FYI,were/are NOT POWS.They were at nest best ENEMY COMBATANTS,and at worst,plain old common criminals.

And FYI...military personnel on FR,don't take YOU seriously at all. :-)

[Palladin]

And which Army were you in?

And which war?

Graner is taking the rap for everyone higher up, including your darling Rumsfeld.