Posted on 01/15/2005 6:50:11 AM PST by Mad Dawg
And how did the shooter let the bogie get that close to him? 3 feet is way too close unless you're pretty confident the bogie is disarmed.
I don't like this story 100%
He's a Dumbass. He better have a good self defence argument.
1) He was carrying a Smith & Wesson. Get rid of that piece of crap and buy a real pistol.
2) He only shot him five times. The magazine probably held at least eight. Three should have gone in the trashbag's skull.
3) He feels bad about shooting this piece of garbage. It would make sense to feel bad if he MISSED, but he didn't.
But all in all, a story with a happy ending.
Maybe he wasn't. Winkelman didn't see anything. He just had someone else's description of what happened.
"I'm not a police officer, but I'm certainly not going to let someone accused of a crime like that go wandering off,"
The guy wasn't "wandering off" until Winkelman went to his house.
If the other guy had shot Winkelman would it have been a "good shooting" since he was being threatened by a man with a gun? Of course Hughes is described as having long hair so that may make it OK.
I agree. Seems the first rule of self defense is to not needlessly place yourself in danger in the first place. I think he overstepped his bounds and responsibilities. He knew who the man was, he was perfectly capable of identifying him, and he knew where he lived. Once he knew all those things he should have simply made himself available to testify once the man had been apprehended by the police. I think he should be charged with manslaughter.
Knowing the identity of the suspect, he should have waited for police and told them his story. Intervening with deadly force in a crime is only permissible when life or limb is in imminent danger. Here, the danger had passed. A citizen's right to stop and detain a criminal is subject to question, although a citizen would not be constrained by the 4th Amendment. This incident is very interesting legally, but I'm sure the man realizes there were other options. Deadly force is permanent. 'It's a helluva thing to kill a man.'
ExcuhYOOZE MOI?
My absolutely fave handgun is my 686P. "Did he fire 7 shots, or only 6?" But I like my sigs pretty much too.
That's one gun that the guy will probably never see again.
I, too, find a lot to question here--the first thing being that this all came about because of something a 13 yr old kid said!
Certainly, if he knew the guy was in the house, he should have left well enough alone, and waited for the police to handle the situation.
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Smith makes great revolvers, I've owned several. Their automatics leave much to be desired, however. Every time I see a cop carrying a S&W auto, I always feel like going over and expressing my sympathy to him. Of course, they'd think I was being a smart-ass, so I don't.
I have a 5906 that was a police contract over-run that I purchased brand new. It jammed with factory ammo on the third magazine. It's frightening to think that our men and women in law enforcement have to cope with this kind of equipment.
Yeah, there ought to be some kind of generic stipulation so that you could get your gun back right away.
Get rid of that piece of crap and buy a real pistol.
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What handgun do you recommend?
Oh no! He killed Carrot Top.
Personally I'm a fan of creative spelling. And, if guns cause crime, then keyboards cause spelling mistakes so I think you should lighten up, okay? ;)
Seriously, the more I read this, the more I think that (a) If this gets in front of a grand jury, things may change; and (b) maybe the dead guy was universally acknowledged (or at least the police might have thought so) to have "needed killin'", since everything else about this shoot is, at best, questionable.
Somebody comes up to me out of the blue and says,"I think you just attempted rape and I don't want you to go anywhere and I'm drawing my weapon to see that you don't," I'd charge the sucker with assault. I must be missing something here.
everything else about this shoot is, at best, questionable
Winkelman may, just may, not get indicted. I'll be mildly surprised if he's not. He will need a good lawyer for the civil suit "the victim's" relatives will bring. Getting his gun back from the police may just be another asset for him to lose in the civil case.
I think you just attempted rape and I don't want you to go anywhere and I'm drawing my weapon to see that you don't,"
The guy was happy to let him stay in his own house. The reason he followed him was because he was walking away.
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