[Atlas Sneezed]

Winkelman apparently learned his CCW training quite well, and is a smart, cool guy. This article reads like a lawyer's self defense shooting scenario. Except for the citizens arrest aspects, which are not something CCW training advises on, he said (and presumably did) all the right things:

"I don't feel happy and proud," Winkelman said Thursday. "I feel like I killed a human being. I caused a lot of pain for his family, and I caused a lot of pain for my family. We're devastated."

He stuck his hands in his pockets and was fumbling around. I said, `Get your ... hands out of your pockets.' " That's when Winkelman drew his gun from its holster. He had the safety on and his finger was on the frame, not the trigger, he said. He said he ordered the man four times to put his hands where he could see them.

"I kept shooting until he dropped the pistol."

(Of course, someone needs to explain why cops need to keep a gun "for evidence" in a case like this, where the only question is the justification for the shooting, not the identity of the shooter or the gun.)

[Mad Dawg]

(Of course, someone needs to explain why cops need to keep a gun "for evidence" in a case like this, where the only question is the justification for the shooting, not the identity of the shooter or the gun.)

Yeah, there ought to be some kind of generic stipulation so that you could get your gun back right away.