[neverdem]

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

I knew it!!!!

Well, I thought this might be the case.

[Texas_Jarhead]

Now I ain't the sharpest tool in the shed but even I find this title to be utterly useless. Unless, of course, you're always trying to go negative against the military and America. From all the reports of the incident one thing is clear, the sub hit an uncharted mountain. Ergo, the mountain was not on the Navy's map. Sheesh!

[Domestic Church]

"...the older navigation charts provided to the Navy were never updated to show the obstruction, they
acknowledge, in part because the agency that creates them has never had the resources to use the satellite
data systematically."

If this is true and not just a political twist then this is lunacy....some big finger pointing about to start.

[El Gran Salseron]

Ping!

[HipShot]

Bad chart ping

[steplock]

hindsight is ALWAYS 20-20 NYT-dumbasses!

If you KNOW the exact location of a feature, it is a simple task to look over photos/scans for that one exact spot.

[wildbill]

But former submarine captains said Navy investigators were likely to examine whether it had been prudent to travel at such a high speed, 30 knots, given the age and spottiness of the information."

Unfortunately, the Navy tradition is to be very harsh with a Captain who ship is endangered or damaged his ship, almost regardless of the circumstances.

Remember the skipper of the Indiana was steaming through the Pacific when torpedoed by a Japanese sub. There was a question about whether the ship was properly zig-zagging while under the command of a junior officer. Although most of his men stepped forward to testify for the Captain, he was court-martialed.

And the Captain of the intelligence ship Pueblo was sent into waters near N. Korea without any armed escort--but he took the blame when his ship was captured.

[Doctor Stochastic]

Submarine Crash Shows Navy Had Gaps in Mapping System

Actually, the Maps didn't show he gaps correctly.

[Cold Heart]

BTTT

[quietolong]

Hmm. I don't know. Subs have ben zipping around there for over 60 years. Could be more to the story.
Who of us knows what happend.

Some of my favorite sub sights

NAVSOURCE SUBMARINE PHOTO ARCHIVES
http://www.navsource.org/archives/subidx.htm

SSN-711 San Francisco
http://www.navsource.org/archives/08/08711.htm

Submarine Fleet-Diesel and Nuclear Submarine Homepages
http://www.rontini.com/fleet.html

THE USS HALIBUT SSGN/SSN 587 AND THE NEW SSGN's GANGWAY PAGE
http://users.erols.com/marelk/

USS Halibut Veteran's Association Web Page
http://users.erols.com/marelk/USS%20Halibut%20Vets.htm

[SW6906]

Ping!

[Ready4Freddy]

Steely-Eyed Killers of the Deep

[Boot Hill]

Compare these two maps and note that we finally have approximate coordinates for the crash site, 07º44'N, 147º22'E, which places the scene (via great circle route calculation) at 700km (435mi.) SSE (155º) from SSN 711's (USS San Francisco) home port of Apra Harbor, Guam. Note the mileage is not the 360-370 miles that this, and other, MSM article have been quoting, but rather 75 miles farther SSE.

Note that the following islands in the Caroline Island chain can be seen on both maps and define the area around the crash site: Lamotrek, Pikelot, Satawal, West Fayu. To effectitvely view these maps, push F-11 on your keyboard.

That is all...

--Boot Hill

[taxesareforever]

Even though not his fault, I believe that the skipper will become the scapegoat. Normal operandi for the Navy.

[Doohickey]

Going active, single ping.

[Jim Noble]

We don't have maps of every square inch of the bottom of the ocean?

It's Bush's fault!

[VOA]

bump

[kezekiel]

But the older navigation charts provided to the Navy were never updated to show the obstruction, they acknowledge, in part because the agency that creates them has never had the resources to use the satellite data systematically.

Nothing like breaking an expensive submarine to shake some resources loose.

[Fester Chugabrew]

. . . sea-charting offices around the world have found that many islands [are] "maybe a mile or two out of position" on widely used charts . . . ."

Now I know why the Skipper, Gilligan, and friends were never found.

On a more serious note, it is amazing to me how much of the earth's suface remains undocumented, let alone what is below the surface. (At least the evolutionary biologists and geologists have it all figured out. /s)

[Former Dodger]

Submarine PING