Posted on 01/14/2005 8:30:19 PM PST by neverdem
Sailors on the San Francisco, a nuclear-powered attack submarine, had just finished cleaning the vessel last Saturday as it sped along 500 feet beneath the surface of the South Pacific. Submarines run blind, just listening for sounds of danger. And to the captain and other officers relying on undersea navigation charts, everything seemed clear.
Suddenly, there was a horrible screeching. And according to an e-mail message written by a crew member, the inside of the submarine quickly resembled a scene from the movie "The Matrix." He wrote, "Everything slowed down and levitated and then went flying forward faster than the brain can process."
The submarine had crashed head-on into an undersea mountain that was not on the charts. One sailor was killed, and about 60 others were injured. Now, Defense Department officials say they have found a satellite image taken in 1999 that indicates an undersea mountain rising to perhaps within 100 feet below the surface there.
But the older navigation charts provided to the Navy were never updated to show the obstruction, they acknowledge, in part because the agency that creates them has never had the resources to use the satellite data systematically.
The officials said the main chart on the submarine, prepared in 1989 and never revised, did not show any potential obstacles within three miles of the crash. They said the incident happened in such a desolate area - 360 miles southeast of Guam - that updating their depiction of the undersea terrain was never considered a priority.
The new information about the charting flaws also illustrates what many experts say is a broader danger not only to submarines but also to many surface ships. At the same time, it provides a glimpse into the arcane task of plotting an undersea world that in some areas is still more mysterious than the surfaces of Mars or Venus.
A variety of satellite data is now showing that many sea charts, including some that still rely on notations from the days when sailors navigated by the stars, are inaccurate. And some scientists are calling for greater use of satellite data to fix more precisely the location of undersea ridges, islands and even continental boundaries and to chart large, less studied areas of the oceans.
The latest disclosures support the account by the commanding officer of the San Francisco that the charts showed that his track was clear. But former submarine captains said Navy investigators were likely to examine whether it had been prudent to travel at such a high speed, 30 knots, given the age and spottiness of the information.
Officials said the main chart on the submarine was prepared by the Defense Mapping Agency in August 1989. That office was later absorbed into the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency, a part of the Defense Department that provides maps, sea charts and other geographic intelligence to the nation's combat forces.
Chris Andreasen, the chief hydrographer for the Office of Global Navigation at the intelligence agency, acknowledged in an interview that on the chart, "there's nothing shown that would be a hazard" at the crash site.
But since the accident, Mr. Andreasen said, his office has examined commercially available images taken by a Landsat satellite in 1999, and at least one image indicates that an undersea mountain could rise to within 100 feet of the surface there. Analysts say variations in water color can sometimes indicate a land mass below.
Mr. Andreasen said his agency had not normally used satellite imagery to update sea charts, though it recently began using the images to help pinpoint the boundaries of islands and other land masses. He and other officials said that the charting office's staff had shrunk in recent years, and that the Navy never asked it to focus on the area south of Guam, where it began basing submarines in 2002.
Current and former Navy officials say the main focus during the cold war was charting areas in the Northern Pacific and in Arctic seas where missile and surveillance submarines guarded against a Soviet attack. Since then, the Navy has been trying to improve charts of shallower coastal waters in the Middle East and other areas where it might have to help battle terrorists.
Mr. Andreasen said that since global positioning satellites came into wide use in the 1980's, Navy and commercial ships had had a much more accurate way to fix the coordinates of islands, undersea volcanoes and other parts of the giant mountain ranges that jut up from the ocean floor.
"G.P.S. is changing the world," he said.
As ships have reported these coordinates, sea-charting offices around the world have found that many islands were "maybe a mile or two out of position" on widely used charts, he said. So over the past year, his agency has been using the Landsat images and other data to update many nations' boundaries.
But Mr. Andreasen and other scientists said that while commercial shipping interests had helped chart the most common transit routes, large areas of the ocean depths remained little charted.
Dr. David T. Sandwell, a geophysics professor at the Scripps Institution of Oceanography in San Diego, said that about 40 percent of the oceans were "very, very poorly charted, and those areas are mostly in the Southern Hemisphere."
While many sea charts include obstacles and features spotted by commercial vessels, World War II warships and even 19th-century explorers, the best charts are made by survey ships that use sound beams to create detailed pictures of the undersea terrain. The Navy has only seven such ships, however, and scientists say it could take decades to chart the rest of the seas thoroughly.
As a result, Dr. Sandwell and others have suggested that the government make rough chartings of more areas with another type of satellite - one that uses radar to measure variations in the height of the ocean that can signal if mountains are below.
Dr. Sandwell said readings by one such satellite in the mid-1980's also indicated there could be an undersea mountain at the San Francisco's crash site. But he said the margin of error was too large for the studies to be conclusive. And Mr. Andreasen said much of the satellite data was too vague for precise charting.
Mr. Andreasen said the main chart used on the submarine showed that the only concerns were a small area of discolored water that had been noted three miles from the crash site and some coral reefs about 10 miles away.
Notes on the chart indicated that the discolored water was mentioned on a British sea chart in 1963, and Mr. Andreasen said the notation might even go back to World War II. He said the discoloration might have been just a temporary disturbance, or it could have been a sign of the undersea ridge.
Other notes suggest that some ships had reported depths of 5,000 to 6,000 feet nearby. But Mr. Andreasen said few commercial ships used the area, and "it has never been systematically surveyed."
Navy officials declined to comment, saying they are investigating the accident.
The submarine left Guam on Jan. 7 for Brisbane, Australia. The Navy said 23 of the sailors were seriously injured, and at least five had broken bones.
The e-mail message by the sailor was sent to several people involved with submarines, and as it circulated within the submarine community, one person provided a copy to The New York Times.
The sailor wrote that many crew members were eating lunch at the time of the crash, which severely damaged the vessel's bow. He said several sailors suffered "bad head wounds," and men in the engine room smashed against "lots of metal and sharp edges."
Still, he said that the vessel's damage control party "did everything exactly right even though they were hurt as well."
The message also said that the submarine was lucky to have an extra medic on board, and that its main medic, known as a corpsman, did not sleep during the two-day trip back to port.
The Navy has said a machinist's mate second class, Joseph A. Ashley of Akron, Ohio, was knocked unconscious by the crash and died the next day from severe head injuries. The e-mail message said other sailors were surprised that the corpsman "got him to hold on as long as he did."
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I got my information here.. It turned into a mostly submariners thread...I lurked and learned.
"Remember the bombing of the Chinese embassy in Belgrade..."
Very good point, ETM! It's crazy isn't it...we can drop a bomb down a bunker in Tora Bora or some other obscure mountain pass cave. We probably do satellite snipe hunts on *endangered* critters and spend fortunes doing so but somehow basic defense needs (along with a submariner) were skuttled for lack of resources. We've even landed on one of Saturn's moons for heavens sake!!! Some should be hung out to dry "bigtime" on this. This is beyond the pale.
In '69, I was at Coronado where the inquiry was going on. Saw a lot of beat up and sad sailors from Pueblo. You got it right about the capture but electronics wasn't the big deal. Codeword material was compromised. All codewords were changed overnight once Pueblo was seized. That's memorable.
Good to meet you, Sal.
Like we postulated: seamount and inadequate mapping. I'd surely hate to have to navigate that area submerged with any of the charts I've seen.
Don't have them handy right now, but I bet that National Geographic has better relief maps of the seafloor than these... :-(
Easy on me.... The one just above #4 I had fixed, it works..... That will get you started......
Someone please explain how "satellite data" can do anything but tell you where you are on the face of the earth - and to locate on that same face "known" obstructions.
Sounds to me like someone is expecting GPS to peer under the ocean to see sea-mounts. Not happening.
We need a heavy technology discussion on what radar can do about peering through 1000 feet of water to map the undersea.....
I don't think it can, radar depends on reflection...
MAybe "used to have most accurate" maps.
Al Gore - in re-inventing Govt took an axe to the NOAA Corps (#7 of the 7 uniformed services) and tried to disolve the NOAA Dept altogether. Result, NOAA is forced to contract out ocean mapping and the result 'vary'.
Rainer - the ship that made the mountain famous and the beer that made it possible.
Right!
I think the mid atlantic rift waS MAPPED at great effort....using special equipment (suspended at great depths ) and some kind of sonar...
Viewing the Morphology of the Mid-Atlantic Ridge From a New Perspective
We have:
The nature of the volcanic and tectonic response of mid-ocean ridges to magmatic and rifting processes is a key component in understanding how new ocean crust is created. New high-resolution side-scan sonar images of the axis of the slow-spreading Mid-Atlantic Ridge (MAR) show volcanic constructs and faults and fissures that are similar in size and shape to those observed at well-studied subaerial rift zones such as Hawaii and Iceland. The new information provided by these high resolution side-scan sonar images, combined with swath bathymetric coverage, is now allowing us to apply the terrestrial analogs to the MAR to understand dike emplacement, shallow transport of magma, eruption mechanisms, tectonic strain, and crustal evolution.
These images are changing our ideas about the formation and evolution of slow-spreading crust. They indicate that magmatic pro- cesses at the MAR may be more comparable to those at subaerial rift zones than previously thought. Furthermore, these data are enabling us to design future detailed geophysical and geochemical studies at the MAR at the same scale as used at subaerial rifts.
The Navy needs to get some of this technology....
Ernest, is there any chance this a new formation from the tsunami?
Indianapolis?
Note that the following islands in the Caroline Island chain can be seen on both maps and define the area around the crash site: Lamotrek, Pikelot, Satawal, West Fayu. To effectitvely view these maps, push F-11 on your keyboard.
That is all...
--Boot Hill
Although the article implied that there was prior indication of something there:
But since the accident, Mr. Andreasen said, his office has examined commercially available images taken by a Landsat satellite in 1999, and at least one image indicates that an undersea mountain could rise to within 100 feet of the surface there. Analysts say variations in water color can sometimes indicate a land mass below.
I don't think it can, radar depends on reflection...
Mapping the Seafloor from Outer Space
"The time it takes the energy to return to the satellite is used to measure the distance to the sea surface very precisely (within accuracies of less than an inch!)"
According to this link, and depending on the effects of water temperature and surface currents, a seamount of 1000 feet elevation above the surrounding ocean floor would be reflected in an increase of one foot of the ocean's surface. Don't ask me how they account for the motion in ocean's surface motion unless they take the mean time of the reflected beam after repeated passes of the satellite.
Seems to me that while this accident might not have been directly prevented by an unharassed program, it certainly points to a need for the LFAS program.
(BTW, link provided for reader convenience...not sure about the info on it--it's Federation of American Scientists.)
I think the skipper was driving too fast.
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