Oh no, aliens truly do exist. Trust me.
Posted on 01/14/2005 2:19:11 PM PST by Las Vegas Dave
Decades ago, it was physicist Enrico Fermi who pondered the issue of extraterrestrial civilizations with fellow theorists over lunch, generating the famous quip: "Where are they?" That question later became central to debates about the cosmological census count of other star folk and possible extraterrestrial (ET) visitors from afar.
Fermi’s brooding on the topic was later labeled "Fermi’s paradox". It is a well-traveled tale from the 1950’s when the scientist broached the subject in discussions with colleagues in Los Alamos, New Mexico. Thoughts regarding the probability of earthlike planets, the rise of highly advanced civilizations "out there", and interstellar travel -- these remain fodder for trying to respond to Fermi’s paradox even today.
Now a team of American scientists note that recent astrophysical discoveries suggest that we should find ourselves in the midst of one or more extraterrestrial civilizations. Moreover, they argue it is a mistake to reject all UFO reports since some evidence for the theoretically-predicted extraterrestrial visitors might just be found there.
The researchers make their proposal in the January/February 2005 issue of the Journal of the British Interplanetary Society (JBIS).
Curious situation
Pick up any good science magazine and you’re sure to see the latest in head-scratching ideas about superstring theory, wormholes, or the stretching of spacetime itself. Meanwhile, extrasolar planetary detection is on the verge of becoming mundane.
"We are in the curious situation today that our best modern physics and astrophysics theories predict that we should be experiencing extraterrestrial visitation, yet any possible evidence of such lurking in the UFO phenomenon is scoffed at within our scientific community," contends astrophysicist Bernard Haisch.
Haisch along with physicists James Deardorff, Bruce Maccabee and Harold Puthoff make their case in the JBIS article: "Inflation-Theory Implications for Extraterrestrial Visitation".
The scientists point to two key discoveries made by Australian astronomers and reported last year that there is a "galactic habitable zone" in our Milky Way Galaxy. And more importantly that Earth’s own star, the Sun, is relatively young in comparison to the average star in this zone -- by as much as a billion years.
Therefore, the researchers explain in their JBIS article that an average alien civilization would be far more advanced and have long since discovered Earth. Additionally, other research work on the supposition underlying the Big Bang -- known as the theory of inflation -- shores up the prospect, they advise, that our world is immersed in a much larger extraterrestrial civilization.
Point-to-point distances
Given billion-year advanced physics, might not buzzing around the galaxy be possible?
Even today superstring theory hypothesizes other dimensions... which could be habitable Universes adjacent to our own, the researchers speculate. It might even be possible to get around the speed of light limit by moving in and out of these dimensions.
"What we have done is somewhat of a breakthrough," Haisch told SPACE.com. "We have pulled together various recent discoveries and theoretical issues that collectively point to the strong probability that we should be in the midst of one or more huge extraterrestrial civilizations," he said.
Haisch said that superstring dimensions and wormhole and spacetime stretching possibilities address the "can't get here from there" objection often argued in view of the interstellar, point-to-point distances involved. Also, diffusion models predict that even a single civilization could spread across the Galaxy in a tiny fraction of the age of the Galaxy - even at sub-light speeds, he said.
ET signature in the data
Can the scientific community bring itself to consider any evidence coming from mysterious sightings of strange things by the public?
In large measure, the scientific community seemingly has eyed ET visitation as far from being serious stuff to cogitate over. Why so?
"The dismissal has several causes, all reinforcing each other," Haisch responded. "Most of the observations are probably misinterpretations, delusions and hoaxes. I have seen people get confused by Venus or even Sirius when it is flashing colors low in the sky under the right conditions. Having been turned off by this, most scientists never bother to look any further, and so are simply blissfully ignorant that there may be more to it," he said.
Deardorff, the lead author of the JBIS article, points out in a press statement: "It would take some humility for the scientific community to suspend its judgment and take at least some of the high quality reports seriously enough to investigate…but I hope we can bring ourselves to do that."
According to Haisch, there is a motivation not just for scientific tolerance of the UFO issue, but a strong scientific prediction that there ought to be some genuine ET signature in the data.
"This potentially changes the relationship of the UFO phenomenon to science in a significant way. It takes away the ‘not invented here’ prejudice, pointing out that a ‘yes’ to ET visitation is exactly what side our current physics and astrophysics theories would come down on as the most likely situation," Haisch concluded.
Maybe that's where the problem lies, when we try to determine something based on what is "to the best of our knowledge". Our knowledge on a subject may be incomplete, but we still use that knowledge because it's the best knowledge we have on that subject. So when we say that nothing can travel faster than the speed of light, that is our belief based on the accumulated knowledge that we have on that subject up to this point in time, but it still may be incomplete knowledge on the subject.
At the time God decides we are ready to meet other beings of his creation, we will. We are not sophisticated enough in my view. Not as a group. Individually, yes.
I'm not all that interested in speculation. I'm interested in inductive reasoning. Please give evidence of your beliefs.
I don't believe your Fact 3 is a fact.
Show me the raw data and the math, please.
Unless, of course, you are including Communism as a religion.
Why is it????
That the assertions about such things virtually always
SOUND HAUGHTILY, ARROGANTLY, . . . ETC. LIKE THAT PERSON'S PERCEPTIONS, BIASES, BELIEFS ETC. ARE THE TOTAL POSSIBLE REALITY on the topic for all time?
I would have THOUGHT that the history of the religion of science, even would have taught a LOT more humility than that about any era's "current level" of knowledge.
Sheesh.
Certainly HE IS in ultimate control
of all the schedules and sequences of such events.
Communism is politics. Crusades were religion. Leaders of both have convinced followers to kill people.
AND,
directly and indirectly, scientists have killed far more than religionists.
Though, actually, I deplore RELIGION vs RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD.
Religion does tend toward the deadly whether by boredom or zealots.
There is something called phase velocity that travels faster than c. If you find a way to modulate phase over wave-fronts and de-modulate the information in some sort of a reciever, you and your family will be on a permanent vacation:)
For one, there are far too many tangible HARD OBJECT ship stuff in the literature to construe absolutely all the drivers AND ALL THE SHIPS as totally demonic or demonic materializations."
I understand....But I subscribe to the notion that if the power to deceive in the physical world is real, why would there be limitations? IOW, wouldn't the Evil One be capable of giving the appearance of explainable material attributes?
"I'm not arguing about which side of good/evil the ET's seem to be wholesale on, currently. Though I do believe there angelic forces on the side of God which MAY appear in such contraptions, I don't believe they have much at all, yet."
We really have to be careful about whom we regard as "angels." When they have appeared biblically, they've come as "ministering spirits" (Hebrews 1:14)
"I beleive that God speaking forth whatever can cause distant sub atomic particles and everything larger to hop-to according to His Will without any other 'external' operation effecting such transmission of His Will or effecting the actions."
No doubt, God can command the planets and stars to jump at a snap of His finger. THIS world has been given to the deceptive powers and trickery of the Evil One -- especially during his 'Last Days.' And he is beginning to use every means at his disposal.
Nope. Quantum entanglement does not allow transmission of imformation faster than light. It does some spooky stuff, but not that.
Plenty true.
"we should be in the midst of one or more huge extraterrestrial civilizations,"
First Foundation
Wellllllllllll,
Keep that death grip on your beliefs about what
CAN'T BE.
100's of years of scientists have fallen for that one and then fallen off their pedestals for being the high priests of that dogma.
We shall see. And, I believe we shall see in our lifetimes.
To me the strongest argument is that God wouldn't make such a vast universe and have man as the only sentient beings. Not that I think that man can know the mind of God. Nonetheless it is a big universe.
Well said.
"we should be in the midst of one or more huge extraterrestrial civilizations,"
>>First Foundation
***Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, Over.
Was that really produced by Mormons?"
The first season was great. I recall one of the Alien "Commanders" later "became" George Costanza's boss for the Yankees on 'Seinfeld.'
I wasn't aware that 'V' was a Mormon production, but I think I remember seeing it at a video store.
"Most people don't have a clue. They don't need one, either. No, people think they have a good bead on things..."
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