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To: BykrBayb
They were not disrupting the event. They were being harassed. They committed no crimes. They were arrested for being Christians.

When you go to a demonstration with signs and a bullhorn; you are indeed disruptiong the event. They were harassed, because the ONLY reason they went to the event was to harass event goers.

Again, this has little to do with Christianity; this was a group of people out to show their power and to garner attention; Christianity was the excuse these people used to get attention. I find very little in common with the actions of this group and the teachings of Christ.

122 posted on 01/13/2005 6:23:27 PM PST by Hodar (With Rights, comes Responsibilities. Don't assume one, without assuming the other.)
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To: Hodar

"When you go to a demonstration with signs and a bullhorn; you are indeed disrupting the event. They were harassed, because the ONLY reason they went to the event was to harass event goers....Again, this has little to do with Christianity; this was a group of people out to show their power and to garner attention; Christianity was the excuse these people used to get attention. I find very little in common with the actions of this group and the teachings of Christ."



That's rather uncharitable of you, Hodar, and you must be reading a different Bible than the rest of us as well. There are many reasons why Christians evangelize and take the kinds of risks these people took. Garnering attention in the simplistic way you imply cheapens the Christian self-sacrifice of those who are deeply concerned at what their children will be forced to hear and read in schools, in the media and everywhere in public if the gay revolution succeeds.

Many Christians are actively working to try to save the souls of the young people caught up in the gay movement that exploits low self-esteem and the crisis in parenting that has corrupted so many homes since the selfish 60s. Many persons of conscience spend hours each week in prayer on this very issue.

The street protesters have a measure of courage to confront evil where it is manifesting itself in public. If you knew the street corner in question, you would realize that it is very, very open and visible for blocks around, and that many young teens or younger children may run straight into the event without realizing it is going on, and be shocked out of their brains by the exhibitionistic behavior that is truly appalling.

I saw one of the early gay pride events in Philadelphia by just such an accident when driving my young child home from church on a Sunday afternoon. We had to stop at a red light, and the parade passed in front of the car. I was forced to put my hands over my child's eyes when a tall, skinny man wearing only a tutu, high platform boots, florid stage makeup and a fright wig sashayed by tugging a chain which was attached with rings to both his pierced nipples, with an expression on his face that has given me nightmares ever since, aside from what my kid might have thought. Beneath all that calculated shock was a troubled human being who needs to hear that God has a way out of such misery and self-mockery.

You apparently believe that intellect and logic can allow you to know the mind of Christ. I suggest that you spend time in prayer and reading the Gospel to allow the Holy Spirit to inform your words and actions; also that you ask God what He thinks, not what you think.

Your posts here have shown that although you are not informed of the news details, you are quick to make judgments and moral equivalency between the evangelists and the Outfest enthusiasts. I believe prayer and Bible study may help you see that the two things cannot be morally equivalent.

Re whether gays should be able to disrupt a sunrise service of Christians as a tit-for-tat: the Outfest was open and public; a church is private property.

Philadelphia is an intensely residential city like few others of its size. A huge portion of the residents are Roman Catholic, especially in the areas contiguous to the gay festival in question; there are also many Protestants and several Orthodox Jewish enclaves, as well as Hindus, Moslems and other religious conservatives. When the City executives decided to advertise Philadelphia as a gay mecca, my guess is that few of the residents were consulted.

You say that the gays paid their money and didn't want to be harassed. In fact, the City paid $25,000 to the event, which you could have found out by reading up before scoffing at the others concerned here with the greater implications to religious freedom these arrests demonstrate.

I believe Philadelphians had every right to protest the event on many grounds, including this taxpayer-extorted, City-imposed liberal-revisionist "morality" foisted on one of the oldest American cities with family traditions going back 400 years.

You seem unconcerned about the disproportionate penalties of 47 years for bullhorn use.


155 posted on 01/13/2005 9:59:53 PM PST by Albion Wilde ("And the government shall be upon His shoulders. Hallelujah!")
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