Posted on 01/13/2005 2:31:58 PM PST by tutstar
Unfortunately it is.
I saw the video of the whole thing and could not see justifialble reason for the arrest. Did you see it?
Please see my post #92
D'oh ... should have said #94
The Christians didn't have a large gathering for which a permit would be required. I hope you're not suggesting that I can't tell somebody "Jesus loves you" if I don't get a permit first.
Did Christ say "Go, and sin some more?" No. He did not.
There you go promoting the lies again. Please watch the video. You say that you already did, but you're lying about what's on the video.
My thought precisely. Another excellent reason to read into issues before jumping in with a response ... many who like to stir-up issues with a totally bogus BS post (redundant?) need to be reigned in by moderators.
That depends on how the arresting officers feel about Nazis. If they like them, they wouldn't have arrested them. If it was a Christian event, and homosexuals showed up acting exactly as these Christians did, they wouldn't have been arrested. And if the Christians sponsoring the event complained, they would have been arrested for hate crimes. This arrest was a hate crime. They arrested the Christians for being Christians. Nothing more. Nothing less.
Exactly.
I am certainly NOT promoting the corruption. I am promoting equal legal treatment.
If a group of Christians with bull-horns and big signs are allowed to disrupt a scheduled Gay Outting event, and the police force the majority to tolerate the minority view
then ....
Your Easter Sunrise service is fair game to a gay group that decides to descend upon you with bullhorns and signs that you would find offensive. Would you enjoy trying to listen to your (Priest, pastor, Bishop, etc) with a bullhorn blasting blasphemy behind you? In this situation, I think you wouldn't mind having the police give the intruders the choice of leaving or facing arrest.
Are you saying that because they were practicing a form of Christianity that you don't like, it was okay to arrest them? Simply because in your opinion they were presenting a bad image of Christianity?
If you have something to say, please say it.
I agree that sometimes the presentation is offensive.
I have witnessed many times and there are a whole lot of people around nowadays who don't think they've done anything to keep them out of heaven. Once you begin to go through the 10 commandments and ask have you lied, stolen,put something first ahead of God, etc. things can begin to be a sticky wicket. Just pointing out sin in order to show someone they need a Saviour is offensive to a lot of folks. They've been led down the path of humanism which has them believing they can determine what is right and wrong for them and noone else can determine what is right for them. Maybe I should have gone into more detail in my other post.
They were not disrupting the event. They were being harassed. They committed no crimes. They were arrested for being Christians.
Any pics of him in his "squash outfit"? LOL
Instead of these Christians going to counter protest I'd rather they would set up their own demonstration and profess the Bible.
No, not at all.
If Group A has 10,000 members and has reserved a public space for a program, and group B with ~10 members descends upon them and creates a distrurbance, what would you expect?
Would you expect the police to force the 10,000+ to allow the small group to disrupt the planned festivities? To ignore the bullhorn, flags and chants? I would expect the police to present Group B with an alternative of either leaving, or facing arrest.
If this were a Christian gathering of 10,000+, and a dozen or so Athiests descended upon the group and began insulting the Christians, what do you think would happen? Typically, the disruptors would be given the same alternative these Christians were using.
IMHO, Christianity had little to do with the motive of these individuals; this was a power ploy for attention using Christianity as an excuse. These actions had very little in common with the teachings of Jesus Christ.
I do enjoy discussing things like this, with people like you. You are polite, well mannered, articulate and do give consideration to my side of the discussion.
We may disagree with the way things turned out; but we have both agreed to disagree respectfully. I do appreciate that.
I'm not suggesting anything. Rules for demonstrations differ from place to place, these days it wouldn't be outside the realm of possiblity that they might need to have made prior arrangments and obtained a permit.
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