Constitutional Means to Fight Smoking Bans

Smokers United ^ | January 11,2005 | Robert Hayes Halfpenny

[exnavychick]

LOL...not PC, but correct. My mom (a smoker herself, btw) has a bad reaction (they're not sure if it's an allergy, yet) to perfumes of all kinds. The stuff in soaps, candles, regular perfume...you name it. She doesn't expect everyone to accomodate her, by any means. Might help that she's a smoker, though! :)

I wonder when she's gonna give it up and come over to the dark side. She's more than halfway there, but she doesn't realize it, lol!!

[Raycpa]

I am glad to see work being done on new arguments to stop the smoking bans. The old ones regarding private property just don't work.

[appalachian_dweller]

>> The old ones regarding private property just don't work. <<

Does not change the fact that gov't controlling private property is fascism or communism. Take your pick.

It's simply amazes me that supposed conservatives on this forum can't see this simple FACT.

[Annie03]

You are right. Now that they are going into private businesses, with their eyes on our own homes and cars....enough. I remember Dennis Prager one day saying that "health" is the new morals. That means: abortion? Fine! S&M conventions at family venues? Okay! Gay Days at Disneyworld? Nothing wrong with that! How-to sex ed in school? Why not!
SMOKE??? You idiot, scum, heathen, selfish, immoral piece of.....

[Gabz]

I call them "pick and choose Conservatives." Not very stable, but we run into them every day. Don't we?

That's putting it mildly.

I believe it was either CG or CSM or a collaboration of those 2 that came up with the term "convenient conservative".....which means the same thing as your "pick and choose" and navy chick and my "HTT" (holier than thou)

It's amazing how often they are all the same - regardless of the topic of a thread

[appalachian_dweller]

# 184

ROTFL!!!!

Amazing isn't it?

[Annie03]

I agree. I am having a hard time articulating my thoughts. I have, for years, called it a red herring. But you are correct, it is a vehicle for socialism.

[Raycpa]

Does not change the fact that gov't controlling private property is fascism or communism.

What is the defintion of insanity again ?

[Annie03]

Amazing isn't it?<<

Yes, it is. I wish I remember his (Dennis Prager's) exact diatribe...it was some time ago and it was a bullseye.

[Gabz]

We appear to be.

Even my very first post questioned the idea on speech.......but not assembly on private property.

I do not know who said it, and I am just paraphrasing here........but he who controls the language controls the arguement.

In the case of smoking bans, a rather small, but VERY well funded (Soros-style) group has been able to convince many that a private place of business that invites a segment of the populace to utilize its services is a PUBLIC place. These people have usurped the language and believe they have the right to enter any private business and demand its services be to their liking.

That is wrong, and I can't believe how many people, calling themselves conservatives, have fallen for it.

[appalachian_dweller]

>> What is the definition of insanity again ? <<

People who think smokers are immoral pigs.

[Gabz]

It's ALF and their own press release........I take it with the grain of salt and lack of brains with which it was written.

If I had a taxpayer funded budget like all of the anti-orgs have.....I could show how much they are lying........but no one wants to grant me even 1 percent of the budgets of them.

And heaven forbid I issue a press release against it on my own. I would immediately be slammed by every anti-smoker org as some tobacco industry flack because the MSM would call them to get quotes.

Something the MSM rarely, if ever does when it comes to the press releases of the antis.

[SheLion]

"Mommy -- You're not allowed to SMOKE AROUND ME! When I go back to school, I'm telling."

[exnavychick]

These people have usurped the language and believe they have the right to enter any private business and demand its services be to their liking. That is wrong, and I can't believe how many people, calling themselves conservatives, have fallen for it.

This is just speculation, but I think a large part of that attitude also comes from "the customer is always right". FWIW. I don't think that the customer IS always right, however. Just because you are a guest doesn't mean you can behave any old way you want to...hence all those "No Shirts, No Shoes, No Service" and "We reserve the right to refuse service...blah blah blah" signs. People forget that- while they are out of their homes- it doesn't necessarily translate into being in a public space.

[Annie03]

I love that pic because it is exactly right. I remember years ago a friend telling me that her kids school had a whole program encouraging "narc on your parents".

[exnavychick]

Funny, isn't it, how we're supposed to buy that anti-smoking studies aren't biased while simultaneously believing that tobacco companies ARE. Whoever commissions the study usually has an agenda...even the government.

[Annie03]

"This is just speculation, but I think a large part of that attitude also comes from "the customer is always right" "

I think you speculate correctly. When all that started (was it the 80's?) people took it as a license to be obnoxious (like a 2yo having a tantrum). I worked with the public in various capacities, and when that idea took hold, civility went right out the window. That was my observation, at least. I have no problem with a business owner deciding that they want a non-smoking environment. I choose not to frequent such businesses. By the same token, owners who choose to have a smoking establishment, be it an office or a restaurant, should retain that right.

[exnavychick]

A simple concept that flies right over the head of the nanny staters, apparently. So simple, it's complicated. *rolling eyes*

[Da Bilge Troll]

Whatever happened to the concept of liberty in this country? When did government become our mommy and daddy and adult citizens become children incapable of governing themselves? These bans are pure fascism.

And I don't even smoke.