Posted on 01/13/2005 8:00:33 AM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist
Gay activists and their supporters often say, "Why would someone choose to be gay?" But why would someone want to change political parties? Why would someone want to change their religion? Maybe it's just what they feel like they need to do, or be.
Gay activists and their supporters often resort to using this phrase or one similar to it. They state: Why would someone choose to be gay in a world where they will face grief and opposition over their sexual orientation?
To which I respond: Why would a Muslim choose to convert to Christianity in a region of the world like Sudan or Iran where they will face grief, opposition, persecution, or even death over their religious orientation?
As well, why would someone choose to change their political orientation, to say Republican, in a family which is strictly union Democrat, and which has voted exclusively Democrat for generations, when they will face grief and opposition over their political orientation?
Now, some may respond that you cannot compare sexual orientation with political or religious orientation, since one makes the choice to convert from one religion or political orientation to another, and that one doesn't choose to be gay, that they are "born that way."
Gays aren't "born that way", though.
Numerous scientific studies, posted at http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1300464/posts, show these things:
1.) Environment plays a strong role in homosexuality developing. Almost all of the experts who have done some type of study on homosexuality say that homosexuality cannot be explained apart from reference to environmental factors.
2.) There is a strong prevalance of same-sex sexual abuse in the childhoods of homosexuals.
3.) Many homosexuals themselves link their homosexuality to their sexual victimization experiences.
4.) Gender Identity Disorder, gender confusion and other environmental factors have been shown to play a role in homosexuality developing in some individuals.
5.) There is no "gay gene." Identical-Twin studies, as well as other studies, have smashed this possibility.
6.) Personal choice, to some degree, is involved in all behaviors, sexual or otherwise. Even some lesbians agree with this. Genetic or environmental factors are never overwhelming.
So, you can see that the argument of "Why would someone choose to be gay in a world where they will face grief and opposition over their sexual orientation", doesn't hold water, and neither does the lie of gays being "born that way."
Mel
"Gay activists and their supporters often say, "Why would someone choose to be gay?"
People make poor choices everyday, just look at your take home pay... NEXT
The "mediators" line is homo-propaganda bs. It is part of the homo-advocates calling those with children "breeders".
We have a definite group of trolls around here.
"To say someone is a homosexual is like saying they are a biker, or a jogger, or a swimmer. It is a description of a behavioral choice or pattern."
Hmmm...didn't Gore Vidal - who went [goes?] both ways claim "There are no homosexuals, only homosexual acts."?
What could possibly beat that?
"Well my friend I was born and raised a socialist - my grandfather was a socialist my Dad was a socialist, most of my cousins, Aunts and Uncles are socialists. Iwas a full on Unionist and then I became a Chrsitian and started to question all my other values that I had been brought up with. If knowing Jesus can change my ingrained liberal ways I am just as sure that it can change a homosexuals leanings."
But no-one has seriously claimed there is socialist gene, have they?
And do you feel, if you had fallen in with 'the wrong crowd', you would now most likely be listening to show tunes, wearing a fishnet vest, waiting for a guy from PUMP to call and wondering if your ass looks big in those pants?
;)
Have you never found a woman who'll perform oral sex?
Interesting. The implication of such a question is to say that being 'gay' is undesireable, which is not unusual to hear. But to hear this from 'gay activists' is certainly is.
I might be a little out of my depth here, but could this be likened to animals establishing a pecking order? Male dogs will mount other male dogs to display dominance.
Or perhaps the aggressors were themselves victimized as children, and their repressed feelings lead them to aberrant behavior, both criminally and sexually.
(Just tossing an idea into the mix. It could be completely off the mark.)
Nor does it explain the return to normal sex outside the prison by both men and women ex-cons.
Are we completely certain that they all do?
A lot of the ones who are raped and turned into punks won't have normal sex lives ever again; many won't ever have sex again. Too traumatic.
Also, of course, they may live in a complex that doesn't allow pets.
If you had studied up on the nature of homosexual attractions as I have (I assume you haven't, since you seem uninformed about this matter), you'd see that it isn't a "choice", generally speaking, to experience attractions to memebers of the same sex. It is a choice to act on them.
Same Sex Attraction Disorder is usually due to some sort of combination of poor parenting, lack of bonding with the same sex parent, and often, molestation/seduction as a child or adolescent.
The fact that there are tens of thousands of former homosexuals attests to the fact that it is not inborn. And I find it interesting and saddening that the MSM refuses to allow this truth to be told.
All the homosexuals I know had wretchedly bad childhoods with an absent parent, and several were molested. Many lesbians were molested by a man, resulting in fear of men. Many male homosexuals were also molested by men, but the molestation also provides sexual pleasure for the molestee (generally speaking such molestation is also seduction), so sexual bonding occurs. Did you read the commment on the first page of this thread explaining how that occurs?
The final argument is that if someone wants to change their "orientation", it is often possible to do so. If homosexuality were genetic, this would be a sheer impossibility.
It is also noteworthy that each and every one of us reading this thread has hundreds of unwanted, illicit, or abhorrant desires, every day, flitting through the mind. Some are rejected, some entertained, and a few acted upon. We are not our desires. We are the entity who picks and chooses which desires to follow, and which to kick out the door. No one acts on every single desire. It is also siginificant that the more a certain type of desire is acted upon, it grows stronger and more persistent. The more a desire is rejected, the quieter it grows, until one day it may even become silent. For instance, I never ever even consider smoking a cigarette or marijuana or even hasish any more. Never. If someone wafted such in front of me, I'd laugh and push it away.
Abuse and/or gender-confusing relational dynamics can affect someone's sexuality when they're very young...young enough that they may not remember ever being "normal." These same folks would likely stick out of a crowd, no matter what their age.
There is a couple at our church with classis homo-building dynamics: mother runs the show, totally dominating her weak, passive husband and two boys. Husband always looks like a deer in the headlights, like another son thrown into the mix. Those boys aren't getting a shred of their masculinity confirmed by dad. One is early-teens, other is mid-teens. Both are as fruity as they come. Mincing, artsy, delicate. Always surrounded by friendgirls, as these guys always are at a young age: girls love them because they will play the gossipy, fashion-conscious, dramatic games that young girls play.
I'd be interested in seeing the source for this if you have it available. Not that I disagree with it. I'd like to see how and on whom they conducted the study.
I'm guessing a state pen as opposed to Club Fed.
One can choose to be sexually active but not which sex he or she finds desirable. Now if someone doesn't find the opposite sex desirable, I would rather that they lived that way honestly rather than make some wife or husband miserable. Even if they are faithful, it must be frustrating having a partner who is never really satisfied.
It depends if they attempt to force me to accept their deviance or restrict my right to live my life as I choose. They are doing that so they get to enjoy the backlash.
I don't think the govt or society in general has any business regulating what consenting adults get up to in private.
I don't think government has any right in forcing me to recognize homosexual pairings as anything that I must accept.
Do you really think you could have been 'turned gay'?
I think that you can condition a person in such a way as to subvert natural tendencies. The Nazis did that when it came to killing people they declared inferior. The homos are doing by teaching schoolchildren that being a homosexual is "normal."
Did you never have a classmate in grade school who just was gay from day one?
No, but I did have one who was recruited into the homo deathstyle by his drama teacher. He later recovered via reparative therapy and now has a beautiful wife and 3 children.
Elton John tried marriage to straighten himself out as an adult, it didn't work, because the marriage itself was against nature.
Citing an example of how a mentally deviant person conducts his life is far from convincing.
I guarantee you have gay friends, co-workers and idols and you don't even know it...
Pity we didn't bet money on that 'cause you would have lost.
See, you made assumptions based upon your own prejudices and you fell flat on your face in this case.
I do not belive in the "gay gene" but genetics may play some subtle role. There is also indications that brain chemistry of the fetus is altered by the mother's bad habits (drugs/tobacco) and, of course, early formation of a youth's sexuality plays a large part.
Sorry if already posted.
http://209.239.56.130/theopenheart/editorials/homosexualitychoice.htm
You are right on.
Yes, they exclude themselves by their own behavior. Some of them seek to bend society to meet their will but they'll fail, of course.
My mistake.
Very well, you stand corrected. My work here is done.
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