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Copying, content and communism (Bill Gates on Who is a Communist
BBC ^ | Bill Thompson

Posted on 01/13/2005 12:54:36 AM PST by nickcarraway

Bill Gates, Microsoft's chairman and chief software architect, has been talking about the digital future. The other Bill, technology critic Bill Thompson, has been reading between the lines.

Bill Gates thinks I'm a communist.

Not the old-fashioned state socialist concerned with five-year plans for boot production in the eastern provinces, but a "new modern-day sort of communist", the sort who "want to get rid of the incentive for musicians and movie-makers and software makers".

Admittedly, Mr Gates probably does not know who I am and I doubt if he spends a lot of time reading the BBC news site.

But he clearly thinks that those of us who are concerned about the restrictions on creativity placed in our way by the extension of intellectual property law, and those who oppose software patents, pose a serious danger to the US economy and Microsoft's profitability.

Gates made his comment about communism in an interview he gave to tech news site CNet just before he spoke at the opening session of the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas.

It was an interesting aside, since it revealed just how much Microsoft is worried by the growing popularity of the free and open source software movement.

Patent pounding

Microsoft likes patents and protection partly because it has a lot of patents and can afford to employ expensive lawyers to defend them.

And it is clear from what Mr Gates said at the show that he has decided to bet the future of the company on finding lucrative ways to help the content industry - music, movies and games - reach consumers rather than just offering operating systems and applications to those who want them.

That means turning away from the idea that a computer is a general-purpose device that will process any sort of digital content into building systems that enforce restrictions and help rights holders exploit their customers more effectively in future than they ever managed in the past.

It means providing publishing systems to set up online music stores, writing operating systems that allow people to listen to music and watch TV or DVDs on any screen they can find, and ensuring that all of these systems incorporate the sort of digital rights management that provide ways for content owners to 'protect' their property by limiting copying, viewing or distribution.

It is a vision that puts Microsoft everywhere - not just as a software company but as the core provider of every component for our new digital lives at work and home.

It is also a vision that relies on controlling what we can do with the music, movies, games and any other forms of digital content we find on our hard drives.

Business software and commercial systems remain important, of course, partly because Office and other tools make a lot of money, but also because the technology we will be using in our homes is only the end point of a sophisticated and incredibly complex chain of integrated components.

Xbox Live, for example, is not just about the console in someone's living room, but relies on the network and a customer management service to let people sign up and pay.

It also needs a massive server farm to host the games in progress and let players communicate.

And setting up an online music store is a major e-commerce undertaking, even once you have sorted out the rights issues with the record companies.

Tough talk

It would be easy to dismiss this as just another unreachable aspiration from an egomaniacal geek, but we should not forget just how powerful Microsoft can be.

In his CNet interview Gates defended Internet Explorer against the increasingly popular Firefox browser, arguing that many people will have both IE and Firefox on their computers and will use both.

And when he was asked if Microsoft would lose to Firefox he said "people who underestimated us there in the past lived to regret that".

Those of us who remember the browser wars, when Microsoft used its market dominance to undermine Netscape, know just what he means.

So while Linux, Firefox and even Apple may look like threats at the moment, we should not forget that Microsoft is big enough to make serious mistakes, retreat and then come back having learned its lessons.

In the mid 1990's it tried and failed to persuade US cable companies to run a version of Windows on set top boxes, believing that it would give it access to the broadband content market.

The cable companies did not like what Microsoft was trying to do and did not trust its software, and the plan failed.

But now cable companies like SBC Communications are running the latest version of the same software, and Microsoft's IPTV (Internet Protocol Television) work is beginning to take off.

It's the same with mobile phones. The first Windows smartphone, the SPV, was universally derided as buggy and unusable, but now it claims 61 operators in 28 countries are using the latest version.

And of course the second-generation Xbox will combine console gaming with home entertainment, network connectivity and many other functions.

If Microsoft has decided that the future lies with the content owners, using the increasingly restrictive laws on intellectual property to build and safeguard its markets, rather than with the hardware providers who are capable of building PCs, hard drive recorders, portable music players without copy protection, then we should all take notice.

Or in five years time it could be: "Where do you want to go today? - but get permission from Microsoft first".

Bill Thompson is a regular commentator on the BBC World Service programme Go Digital.


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To: KwasiOwusu
" The Internet was invented by the US government ARPA project, and paid for by American tax payers. Open source crazies had nothing to do with."

I was referring to open Standards. Have you ever heard of the OSI model? They teach it in basic computer/networking classes.

61 posted on 01/13/2005 10:28:00 AM PST by KoRn
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To: KwasiOwusu

The only thing to say to the open source commie crowd is "Chinese Red Flag Linux".

They claim Bill will have to go to China to sell his wares as no one in the US will want his software, yet, it is Linux who has fist made that move!

LOL!!!


62 posted on 01/13/2005 10:28:51 AM PST by shellshocked
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To: ShadowAce
"So you're claiming something is true before it's proved?"

Read this:

"Linux potentially infringes 283 patents, including 27 held by Microsoft but none that have been validated by court judgments, according to a group that sells insurance to protect those using or selling Linux against intellectual-property litigation.

Dan Ravicher, founder and executive director of the Public Patent Foundation, conducted the analysis for Open Source Risk Management. OSRM is like an insurance company, selling legal protection against Linux copyright-infringement claims. It plans to expand the program to patent protections. "


http://news.com.com/2100-7344-5291403.html?tag=yt

Even your own open source advocates have admitted you have serious IP issues in Linux.

"And you call us nuts?"

Open source fanatics ARE nuts.
63 posted on 01/13/2005 10:39:53 AM PST by KwasiOwusu
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To: KoRn
"I was referring to open Standards. Have you ever heard of the OSI model? They teach it in basic computer/networking classes"

You are not going to say the OSI model for Ethernet was invented by open source nuts, are you?
64 posted on 01/13/2005 10:44:11 AM PST by KwasiOwusu
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To: KwasiOwusu
You can't even read your own posts for comprehension. DO you know what the word "potentially" means? It means possibly. It does not mean proven, nor does it mean "admitted."

Tell me this--if you knew of actual problems within Windows, would you start an insurance company to cover those problems, guaranteeing payouts of more than you receive in income? I think even you would not. OTOH, if you had every confidence that there are no problems in Linux, would you found an insurance company to cover "potential" infrigements? I would, if I had thought of it. There's a guarantee of no payout from that scam.

65 posted on 01/13/2005 10:50:17 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce
"DO you know what the word "potentially" means? It means possibly. It does not mean proven, nor does it mean "admitted."

Listen, this is America.
Of course everything is going to be litigated.
One thing is certain: There is going to be plenty of litigation brought against Linux users from firms who can see their IP and patents in the Linux source code.
This the difference: Microsoft gives full legal immunity for their software, which they wrote themselves.
Red Hat doesn't do that for their Linux.
Why? Because they couldn't swear that they know that all the code in their Linux come from legal sources, nor could they swear that none of their code was pilfered from other firms.
66 posted on 01/13/2005 11:02:59 AM PST by KwasiOwusu
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To: nickcarraway

BTTT


67 posted on 01/13/2005 11:04:42 AM PST by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: shellshocked
"They claim Bill will have to go to China to sell his wares as no one in the US will want his software, yet, it is Linux who has fist made that move!
LOL!!!"


That's typical open source logic for you. :)
68 posted on 01/13/2005 11:06:09 AM PST by KwasiOwusu
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To: nickcarraway
and those who oppose software patents, pose a serious danger to the US economy and Microsoft's profitability.

There's a reason Bill thinks he's a communist. It's the same reason I think Mr. Ed was supposed to be a horse.

69 posted on 01/13/2005 11:08:25 AM PST by Richard Kimball (It was a joke. You know, humor. Like the funny kind. Only different.)
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To: KwasiOwusu
There is going to be plenty of litigation brought against Linux users from firms who can see their IP and patents in the Linux source code.

There's your problem, dude. There is none. SCO has had almost two years to come up with even one line of code and they can't do it. No other company, after seeing SCO start this process, has come forward with similar claims. The source code is open for all to see, and has been for 15 years, yet no company has made that claim.

Why do think that is? Meditate on that for a while.

Red Hat doesn't do that for their Linux.

There's no need. They know it and their customers know it.

70 posted on 01/13/2005 11:09:35 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: KwasiOwusu
You are not going to say the OSI model for Ethernet was invented by open source nuts, are you?

No, not at all. The OSI model was agreed upon standards by the industry at large. This wouldn't occur if every vendor went their own way, like you suggest they should. Imagine if M$, Linux, Mac, Unix, and Ethernet card manufacturers went their own way.

PS: The OSI model has ALLOT more to do with networking than Ethernet. Ethernet is only a layer 2 standard, among other layer 2 standards, out of the 7 layer communications model.

71 posted on 01/13/2005 11:19:26 AM PST by KoRn
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To: ShadowAce
"SCO has had almost two years to come up with even one line of code and they can't do it"

SCO has shown thousands of lines of code to experts from the computer industry (like IDc, Gartner etc etc) that they have made sign confidentiality agreements.
They did this long ago.
SCO doesn't have to show any code to open source nuts that post rubbish on the Internet.
All they have to do is show their stolen code in COURT when the trial finally gets under way, just like any trial.


"No other company, after seeing SCO start this process, has come forward with similar claims."

They will.
It took 20 years to catch the Una-bomber


"The source code is open for all to see, and has been for 15 years, yet no company has made that claim."

Linux was irrelevant 15 years ago.
Plus Linux was a typically useless open source piece of junk then, until they stated shoveling stolen code into it en mass, relatively recently.
Then it miraculously acquired capabilities that it never came close to acquiring for the past 10 years before that.
72 posted on 01/13/2005 11:30:07 AM PST by KwasiOwusu
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To: KwasiOwusu

U R NUTZ


73 posted on 01/13/2005 11:33:40 AM PST by bvw
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To: KoRn
"The OSI model was agreed upon standards by the industry at large. This wouldn't occur if every vendor went their own way, like you suggest they should. Imagine if M$, Linux, Mac, Unix, and Ethernet card manufacturers went their own way."


I suggested nothing of the sort.
IT firms and consumer electronics firms have have been forming committees and developing standards right from when the electronics industry started.
This was not open source at all.
Electronics firms still developed their own technologies in a very proprietary manner.
They only worked together he necessary to allow their products to work together.
Which is the way it should be.
74 posted on 01/13/2005 11:40:04 AM PST by KwasiOwusu
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To: KwasiOwusu
SCO has shown thousands of lines of code to experts from the computer industry (like IDc, Gartner etc etc) that they have made sign confidentiality agreements.

And some still slipped out into the public. When it was then proven to be a pile of horsehockey.

All they have to do is show their stolen code in COURT when the trial finally gets under way, just like any trial.

Wrong. IBM filed a motion for dismissal (CC10), that SCO could have easily refuted by just showing that code to the court under seal. They couldn't do that, because they don't have it. That motion is going to be heard this month, and most likely will be granted.

Keep up, dude.

Linux was irrelevant 15 years ago.

That statement is irrelevant. Copyright infringement is copyright infringement, no matter how small. It would have been prosecuted then just as it would now.

75 posted on 01/13/2005 11:43:58 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: nickcarraway

Odd that someone that likes capitalism so much is a flaming liberal like his Dad.


76 posted on 01/13/2005 11:45:38 AM PST by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: bvw
"U R NUTZ"

That is reserved for you open source crazies.
There isn't a more rabid bunch of mad dogs on the Internet than you guys.
77 posted on 01/13/2005 11:46:25 AM PST by KwasiOwusu
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To: nickcarraway

Digital rights enforcement is already with us...

Not long ago, I tried playing a legally made DVD movie backup I have on XP and media player, and it refused to play it, saying it was an unauthorized copy.

I backup my DVDs rather than take the originals on the road with me.

Mark


78 posted on 01/13/2005 11:56:19 AM PST by MarkL (That which does not kill me, has made the last mistake it will ever make!)
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To: ShadowAce
"And some still slipped out into the public. When it was then proven to be a pile of horsehockey"

Apart from the usual mad rantings from the usual open source crazies, nothing was proved by anybody.
Plus most of the code in dispute still remains unknown to the public.
Which is the way it should be.
Its for the courts to decide.

"Wrong. IBM filed a motion for dismissal (CC10), that SCO could have easily refuted by just showing that code to the court under seal. They couldn't do that, because they don't have it. That motion is going to be heard this month, and most likely will be granted"

Dream on.
IBM's motion is just the usual legal maneuvering by a guilty IBM to delay the trail as long as possible, in the hopes that SCO runs out of money.
IBM's motion will be dismissed.
The case is going to a full trial
So sorry. :)

T"hat statement is irrelevant. Copyright infringement is copyright infringement, no matter how small. It would have been prosecuted then just as it would now."

By saying Lunix was irrelevant 15 years ago, I am saying that no one was going to be interested in bringing a lawsuit against some unknown piece of junk operating system 15 years ago.
There was no percentage in it.
Lawsuits are mostly for money.
15 years ago , it didn't make sense to bring a lawsuit against an operating system very few were using.
79 posted on 01/13/2005 11:59:39 AM PST by KwasiOwusu
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To: DaveMSmith
Don't forget: FreeRepublic runs on perl - a language that has always been and always will be Open Source.

Perl - The "Swiss Army Chainsaw" of software! Larry Wall is my hero!

Mark

80 posted on 01/13/2005 12:02:39 PM PST by MarkL (That which does not kill me, has made the last mistake it will ever make!)
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