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Copying, content and communism (Bill Gates on Who is a Communist
BBC ^ | Bill Thompson

Posted on 01/13/2005 12:54:36 AM PST by nickcarraway

Bill Gates, Microsoft's chairman and chief software architect, has been talking about the digital future. The other Bill, technology critic Bill Thompson, has been reading between the lines.

Bill Gates thinks I'm a communist.

Not the old-fashioned state socialist concerned with five-year plans for boot production in the eastern provinces, but a "new modern-day sort of communist", the sort who "want to get rid of the incentive for musicians and movie-makers and software makers".

Admittedly, Mr Gates probably does not know who I am and I doubt if he spends a lot of time reading the BBC news site.

But he clearly thinks that those of us who are concerned about the restrictions on creativity placed in our way by the extension of intellectual property law, and those who oppose software patents, pose a serious danger to the US economy and Microsoft's profitability.

Gates made his comment about communism in an interview he gave to tech news site CNet just before he spoke at the opening session of the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas.

It was an interesting aside, since it revealed just how much Microsoft is worried by the growing popularity of the free and open source software movement.

Patent pounding

Microsoft likes patents and protection partly because it has a lot of patents and can afford to employ expensive lawyers to defend them.

And it is clear from what Mr Gates said at the show that he has decided to bet the future of the company on finding lucrative ways to help the content industry - music, movies and games - reach consumers rather than just offering operating systems and applications to those who want them.

That means turning away from the idea that a computer is a general-purpose device that will process any sort of digital content into building systems that enforce restrictions and help rights holders exploit their customers more effectively in future than they ever managed in the past.

It means providing publishing systems to set up online music stores, writing operating systems that allow people to listen to music and watch TV or DVDs on any screen they can find, and ensuring that all of these systems incorporate the sort of digital rights management that provide ways for content owners to 'protect' their property by limiting copying, viewing or distribution.

It is a vision that puts Microsoft everywhere - not just as a software company but as the core provider of every component for our new digital lives at work and home.

It is also a vision that relies on controlling what we can do with the music, movies, games and any other forms of digital content we find on our hard drives.

Business software and commercial systems remain important, of course, partly because Office and other tools make a lot of money, but also because the technology we will be using in our homes is only the end point of a sophisticated and incredibly complex chain of integrated components.

Xbox Live, for example, is not just about the console in someone's living room, but relies on the network and a customer management service to let people sign up and pay.

It also needs a massive server farm to host the games in progress and let players communicate.

And setting up an online music store is a major e-commerce undertaking, even once you have sorted out the rights issues with the record companies.

Tough talk

It would be easy to dismiss this as just another unreachable aspiration from an egomaniacal geek, but we should not forget just how powerful Microsoft can be.

In his CNet interview Gates defended Internet Explorer against the increasingly popular Firefox browser, arguing that many people will have both IE and Firefox on their computers and will use both.

And when he was asked if Microsoft would lose to Firefox he said "people who underestimated us there in the past lived to regret that".

Those of us who remember the browser wars, when Microsoft used its market dominance to undermine Netscape, know just what he means.

So while Linux, Firefox and even Apple may look like threats at the moment, we should not forget that Microsoft is big enough to make serious mistakes, retreat and then come back having learned its lessons.

In the mid 1990's it tried and failed to persuade US cable companies to run a version of Windows on set top boxes, believing that it would give it access to the broadband content market.

The cable companies did not like what Microsoft was trying to do and did not trust its software, and the plan failed.

But now cable companies like SBC Communications are running the latest version of the same software, and Microsoft's IPTV (Internet Protocol Television) work is beginning to take off.

It's the same with mobile phones. The first Windows smartphone, the SPV, was universally derided as buggy and unusable, but now it claims 61 operators in 28 countries are using the latest version.

And of course the second-generation Xbox will combine console gaming with home entertainment, network connectivity and many other functions.

If Microsoft has decided that the future lies with the content owners, using the increasingly restrictive laws on intellectual property to build and safeguard its markets, rather than with the hardware providers who are capable of building PCs, hard drive recorders, portable music players without copy protection, then we should all take notice.

Or in five years time it could be: "Where do you want to go today? - but get permission from Microsoft first".

Bill Thompson is a regular commentator on the BBC World Service programme Go Digital.


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To: TechJunkYard
"This nation was built by free people who wanted to do their own thing....The Open Source community's philosophy and background is very similar"


Dream on.
This country was built by capitalists and entrepreneurs with a strong profit motive
Men like J P Morgan, Andrew Carnegie, Henry Ford, John D. Rockefeller etc etc.
They built this country. Strong visionary men who went out to build and to OWN what they built.
Every one of them stood for principles diametrically opposite to what the communist open source crazies stand for.
41 posted on 01/13/2005 6:49:39 AM PST by KwasiOwusu
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To: nickcarraway

http://archive.salon.com/21st/feature/1998/01/cov_29feature.html


42 posted on 01/13/2005 6:53:27 AM PST by B Knotts
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To: Blurblogger
The cry "information just wants to be free" is at core an attack on intellectual property (private property) rights....

It was these kinds of thinkers that created the internet and the web. But why quibble.

43 posted on 01/13/2005 7:30:17 AM PST by kezekiel
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To: KwasiOwusu
The patent and copyright provisions of US law and the Constitution were intended to offer monopoly rights to inventors and creators of intellectual property for a limited time to be determined by Congress. After the expiration of the protected period the monoply rights expire and become a part of the public domain in order to allow the public to improve and advance the original ideas of the inventor or creator.

How long should patents and copyrights protect is the heart of the question under discussion. Naturally creators and inventors want the protection to last as long as possible and the public should want it to last long enough to keep inventors and creators motivated to do their thing, but short enough to give everybody else a chance to get on the bandwagon and improve. Democrats, close cousins of communists, extended copyrights substantially beyond anything reasonable. That is why software authors are far more interested in copyright protection instead of patent protection. And defending patents against infringers or circumventers is far more difficult than defending copyright claims.

Kwasi has confused the roles of capitalists and communists in this debate because of the confusion over copyrights. Gates is not the good guy and the open source folks are not the communists. Microsoft has already had reasonable protection for its inventions. The same is true of authors, playwrights, movie producers, entertainment artists etc. Congress will be the arbiters of these disputes and has some homework to do before it determines what is reasonable copyright and patent protection. As always, government planning is an oxymoron and they have let things get badly out of balance. It is predictable that they will swing too far the otherway.

This is so far a thread full of sound and fury, signifying nothing. Feel free to waste more band width by airing your opinions on a discussion that will matter but be held elsewhere sometime in the future. The US has several problems of considerably greater importance and of a much more urgent nature. Here is one that needs to be addressed before it becomes too late. The archive contains a great deal more on the subject.

44 posted on 01/13/2005 7:38:26 AM PST by Reaganghost (Reagan could see the Renaissance coming, but it will be up to you to make it happen.)
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To: kezekiel
"It was these kinds of thinkers that created the internet and the web"

Open source had nothing to do with the creation of the Internet.
The interned was created as a direct result of the US government ARPA awarding the ARPANET contract to BBN etc etc.
All this was paid for by US goverment tax dollars, just like the NASA moon landing project was.
No open sorcery here, mate.
Thinkers are thinkers. Thy create and invent things. They don't need open source ideology for that.
45 posted on 01/13/2005 7:41:27 AM PST by KwasiOwusu
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To: KwasiOwusu
Where is the open source car?
Open source plane?

Look out the window sometime. Every one you see is open source. They may not be free (as in beer), but they are open source.

Want proof? Go to Autozone and get a third-party repair manual. They couldn't produce those without knowing the layout and diagrams of their product.

46 posted on 01/13/2005 8:08:35 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: KwasiOwusu
Open source had nothing to do with the creation of the Internet.

What flavor is that Kool-Aid?

47 posted on 01/13/2005 8:09:13 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce
"What flavor is that Kool-Aid?"

The "TRUTH" flavor?
Try it sometime. Do you a lot of good.
48 posted on 01/13/2005 8:58:09 AM PST by KwasiOwusu
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To: ShadowAce
"Look out the window sometime. Every one you see is open source"

And I am the King of Norway. LOL!
When you wake up from dreamland let me know.
This is the real world, not fantasy land.
49 posted on 01/13/2005 9:00:19 AM PST by KwasiOwusu
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To: ShadowAce
"Want proof? Go to Autozone and get a third-party repair manual. "

That is not open source.
50 posted on 01/13/2005 9:01:25 AM PST by KwasiOwusu
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To: KwasiOwusu

Do you know what open source is?


51 posted on 01/13/2005 9:05:33 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Reaganghost
"Kwasi has confused the roles of capitalists and communists in this debate because of the confusion over copyrights"

No confusion here.
I have listened to Eric Raymond and Richard Stillman.
What thy preach and what Marx and Engels preached are remarkably similar in lots of ways.
They are dunking from the same fountain.

"Gates is not the good guy "

He is, and most Americans agree.
He is a great American being constantly vilified by the open source barbarians.

"open source folks are not the communists"

They are.
52 posted on 01/13/2005 9:08:10 AM PST by KwasiOwusu
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To: ShadowAce
"Do you know what open source is?"


One thing I know its not: its not every car I see in the window.

Stop making extravagant claims.
53 posted on 01/13/2005 9:11:28 AM PST by KwasiOwusu
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To: KwasiOwusu; KoRn
One thing I know its not: its not every car I see in the window.

That's what I was beginning to suspect--you have no idea what it is you are argusing against.

Open source is source code from computer programs that is open for anyone to look at. That's it. Nothing more.

So my claim of cars and planes being open source? Perfectly valid. Anyone can go in and look at how it is put together. That's how and why we have third-party repair manuals.

Open source is governed under several different licenses in order to grant priviliges not otherwise granted under copyright. Make no mistake--copyright is still under full force with open source.

Perhaps you mean to argue against the GPL? Or the BSD license?

54 posted on 01/13/2005 9:25:59 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce
"That's what I was beginning to suspect--you have no idea what it is you are argusing against"

I am wiling to bet know what I am about and what life is about, far more than you do. I know exactly what I am arguing against.

"Open source is source code from computer programs that is open for anyone to look at. That's it. Nothing more."

If you think that is all open source is about, you are even more confused than I thought.


"So my claim of cars and planes being open source? Perfectly valid. Anyone can go in and look at how it is put together"

You claim about every car being open source is utter nonsense and the rantings of a deranged psychopath.

"Open source is governed under several different licenses in order to grant privileges not otherwise granted under copyright. Make no mistake--copyright is still under full force with open source."

So how come Linux has so much stolen IP in it then?
55 posted on 01/13/2005 9:59:25 AM PST by KwasiOwusu
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To: ShadowAce
Finally an explaination as to what open source means.

Open Source/Standards are what computing and networking was built on since the early 80's. Everything was out in the open for different vendors and innovators to develop and improve what was already in existence.

If everything would have been closed and proprietary, like the M$ kool-aid drinkers advocate, we may not even be on the Internet now as we know it.

Could you imagine what it would be like right now if a Cisco router couldn't communicate with a 3COM router? What if the computer you were using couldn't get on the Internet because the proprietary networking protocols of the manufacturer of your PC didn't agree with the protocols of the next router in your packet's journey.

How about if your computer couldn't network with another computer you just purchased because, for example, Dell and HP, because each have their respective networking protocols closed?
56 posted on 01/13/2005 10:04:58 AM PST by KoRn
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To: KwasiOwusu
So how come Linux has so much stolen IP in it then?

Rantings of a psychopath? You call me that and then post this drivel?

Post your proof. If you can, then I know a Utah company that would love to talk with you.

57 posted on 01/13/2005 10:11:57 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: KoRn
"If everything would have been closed and proprietary, like the M$ kool-aid drinkers advocate, we may not even be on the Internet now as we know it."

The Internet was invented by the US government ARPA project, and paid for by American tax payers.
Open source crazies had nothing to do with.


"Open Source/Standards are what computing and networking was built on since the early 80's. Everything was out in the open for different vendors and innovators to develop and improve what was already in existence"

Yet another piece of nonsense.
Neither the Internet, nor Unix , nor SQL, nor Dos, nor Windows, nor even the Mac, nor the first GUI from XEROX PARC was developed through open source.
None of the leaders of the computer industry from the 80,s like Sun Micrososystems, Oracle, Microsoft or even IBM etc etc had anything to do with open source.
Everything they did was proprietary.
IBM only went open partly source recently, and since then its IB that is giving IP to open source, not the other war round.

All the open source nuts have done is copy or clone what others had already done, like Linux being cloned from Unix.
58 posted on 01/13/2005 10:22:56 AM PST by KwasiOwusu
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To: ShadowAce
"Post your proof. If you can, then I know a Utah company that would love to talk with you"

The case is already in court even as we speak.
It's going to get proved there.
59 posted on 01/13/2005 10:25:02 AM PST by KwasiOwusu
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To: KwasiOwusu
So you're claiming something is true before it's proved?

And you call us nuts?

60 posted on 01/13/2005 10:27:18 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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