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`Newer' math begins in fall in grade schools
Staten island Live ^ | 1/12/2005 | MICHAEL GORMLEY

Posted on 01/12/2005 2:30:56 PM PST by nickcarraway

ALBANY, N.Y. (AP) — Students and teachers beginning in the fall will face a newer kind of math in pre-kindergarten through eighth grade.

The state Board of Regents this week adopted the new policy for schools statewide that will include teaching algebra concepts starting in the fifth grade and quadratic equations in eighth grade. The teaching of those subjects in depth has mostly been reserved for high school.

"There is no question in our minds that this will position New York state well internationally," said William Brosnan, superintendent of Northport schools on Long Island and chairman of the Regents' panel on overhauling math.

Its findings were sent to teachers and other educators statewide. The panel received 2,000 responses and incorporated many of the concerns and recommendations, Brosnan said Wednesday.

The goal, said Brosnan, is to provide a clear, sequential math education in the lower grades that gives a deep understanding of math, adding the concept has proven effective in Singapore, Japan and several other countries.

Critics have argued the new standards may be too challenging. Others argue the increased use of calculators, under strict conditions, could weaken some math skills.

But Brosnan said the new program will clarify what is to be taught and when. That's critical for building an understanding of the subject, he said, rather than just knowing how to follow formulas.

He said a recent national study proves the need. The Thomas B. Fordham Foundation gave the state a "C" for its curriculum content and a "D" for clarity. This new system changes that, he said.


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1 posted on 01/12/2005 2:30:59 PM PST by nickcarraway
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He said a recent national study proves the need. The Thomas B. Fordham Foundation gave the state a "C" for its curriculum content and a "D" for clarity. This new system changes that, he said. I see its just about time to lower the standards again
2 posted on 01/12/2005 2:34:03 PM PST by tfecw (dolphins are the spawn of evil)
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To: nickcarraway

When I was going to school, if you took algebra by the 9th grade, you were considered to be very smart. Nowadays, if you DON'T take algebra by 8th grade, it's unusual. It keeps going younger and younger. Also, when I was going to school, if you read a chapter book by 3rd grade, that was considered an accomplishment. Now a good portion of my FIRST graders are doing just that.


3 posted on 01/12/2005 2:34:31 PM PST by moog
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To: nickcarraway

Whos going to teach the children to read the problems so they can work them out??


4 posted on 01/12/2005 2:34:40 PM PST by handy old one (Never confuse the facts with the issues!!)
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To: nickcarraway

bump


5 posted on 01/12/2005 2:35:01 PM PST by blackeagle
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To: nickcarraway

Well, from now on the students will be counting using fingers only, and not toes. This is an advance.


6 posted on 01/12/2005 2:35:03 PM PST by GSlob
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To: tfecw

The same approach is used somewhat in Korea, but the students aren't often able to do "physical" type math (applying it). Most teachers recognize that you still need to know the basics.


7 posted on 01/12/2005 2:36:53 PM PST by moog
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""Students and teachers beginning in the fall will face a newer kind of math in pre-kindergarten through eighth grade.""

Pre-kindergarten? Children learn through play, it's ridiculouse when five year old kindergarten students have two hours of homework.


8 posted on 01/12/2005 2:37:10 PM PST by LauraleeBraswell (“"Hi, I'm Richard Gere and I'm speaking for the entire world.” -Richard Gere)
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To: nickcarraway
...teaching algebra concepts...

A train leaves Chicago traveling at 60 mph while another train leaves Los Angeles twenty minutes later traveling at a rate of 85 mph. Draw a picture of how you will feel when the trains finally pass each other.

9 posted on 01/12/2005 2:38:35 PM PST by randog (What the....?!)
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To: nickcarraway

When my oldest son was 5, I taught him how to do simple math calculations using Lotus. He turned into a danged computer nerd. I just don't know what happened..........


10 posted on 01/12/2005 2:40:06 PM PST by showme_the_Glory (No more rhyming, and I mean it! ..Anybody got a peanut.....)
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Algebra lite?


11 posted on 01/12/2005 2:43:04 PM PST by ladylib ("Marc Tucker Letter to Hillary Clinton" says it all.)
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To: nickcarraway
I remember using basic algebra in 5th grade.

How else do you solve the trains question?

12 posted on 01/12/2005 2:45:22 PM PST by jude24 ("To go against conscience is neither right nor safe." - Martin Luther)
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To: nickcarraway
Thanks for the post. I started college late in life and have always thought that I may have approached junior high and high school differently if it had challenged me more. I rarely cracked a book in high school and got along fine although I despised almost every minute of it except sports. (Yes, I was a jock). My son was much smarter than I am but he played the game. (Although I could tell that he thought school was laughable also).

I think the system should do away with age-based classes and go strictly to IQ-based classes. I know it might be possible to hurt someones feelings by this but we are now competing in the world market. IMHO
13 posted on 01/12/2005 2:46:00 PM PST by LowInMo (Why haven't we seen Ted Kennedy on "Cold Case'?)
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To: ladylib

Sheesh, I remember when studying sets was considered new math. Which of the following does NOT belong in the set: {New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Pittsburgh.}


14 posted on 01/12/2005 2:46:41 PM PST by Ciexyz (I use the term Blue Cities, not Blue States. PA is red except for Philly, Pgh & Erie)
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To: showme_the_Glory
when I was taking high school chemistry (1975), we had a great chem teacher but she was a hard boiled old gal. She wouldn't let us use a hand calculator back then unless he could demonstrate how to use a slide rule.......I'm glad she did......
15 posted on 01/12/2005 2:46:57 PM PST by NorCalRepub
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To: nickcarraway

My first thought was - first they will have to find some qualified techers.


16 posted on 01/12/2005 2:48:39 PM PST by chainsaw (("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - H. Clinton))
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I know, I know --- it's Pittsburgh. But that's not math.


17 posted on 01/12/2005 2:51:28 PM PST by ladylib ("Marc Tucker Letter to Hillary Clinton" says it all.)
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To: chainsaw

I remember the people I knew and heard about in college that wanted to be elementary school teachers. Their mantra was something like: It doesn't matter how bad you do in the upper level math/chemistry/etc. classes, you can save your GPA by taking another course on how to set up a multicultural bulletin board. The elementary school teacher-wannabes were generally an unimpressive lot.


18 posted on 01/12/2005 2:52:05 PM PST by MichiganConservative
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To: moog

Yeah, me too, and yet the educational system just keeps getting better and better, eh? With all of the giant minds guiding public education for the last 40 years, you'd think every kid in the system should be the functional equivalent of a doctoral graduate of the last century.

Not.

The administrator article that said "There is no question in our minds that this will position New York state well internationally..." reveals the intent - i.e., looking good as a district or city to the rest of the world.

Like any bell curve, some kids can handle advanced work and some take longer than their peers. IMO, pushing too much too soon is moot as far as benefits go, and quite possibly detrimental. Like the manic craze to push computer literacy early, I tend to think of this clamor as more faddism in the face of systemic failure.


19 posted on 01/12/2005 2:53:14 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth
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To: LowInMo
I agree that we should group kids by ability not age. My 1st grader is totally bored with the math they are doing. I teach him at home using the Singapore Math books and he is at least a year ahead.
20 posted on 01/12/2005 2:58:32 PM PST by TN4Bush
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