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Hebrew name for US "Lands of the Covenant" remains mystery
IMRA ^ | 1-12-05

Posted on 01/12/2005 5:00:05 AM PST by SJackson

Hebrew name for US "Lands of the Covenant" remains mystery Aaron Lerner Date: 11 January 2005

The United States is called "Lands of the Covenant" (Artzot Habrit) in Hebrew.

It is commonly thought that this name was given in order to avoid confusion with the Hebrew name for the United Nations.

IMRA asked Israel Radio's "Moment of Hebrew" program for the source of the name.

They find that the term appears in Hebrew papers as early as 1857 - in the Hamagid L'Israel weekly.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 1857; artzothabrit; hebrew; landsofthecovenant
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To: bvw
Ashkenazi Jews for many many years, Sephardic arriving as the Spanish Christians full of idiotic arrogance slaughered and drove out the very source of their true wealth.

The Spanish did not "slaughter" Jews: they forced them to either convert or emigrate.

Bogdan Chmielnicki and his bloody Cossacks were slaughtering on horseback and driving the remnant Jews out of Poland.

Bogdan and his Cossacks were not Poles and were making war on the Kingdom of Poland. While he and his henchmen murdered many innocent Jews, he was not successful in either of his two main aims: (1) destroying the Kingdom of Poland or (2) eliminating Jews from Poland.

A testament to his failure is the rising and thriving of Hasidism in his home territory just a few decades after his death.

141 posted on 01/12/2005 1:16:47 PM PST by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: wideawake

Interesting. Thanks for the reply.


142 posted on 01/12/2005 1:20:57 PM PST by Pharmboy (Listen...you can still hear the old media sobbing.)
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To: SJackson

>We'll come out with a new translation, problem solved!

Guffaw!


143 posted on 01/12/2005 1:24:27 PM PST by stagnes
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To: Rytwyng
ping... have fun with this one

Um . . . thanks. But I know better than to get involved in all that "American is the Lost Tribes of Israel" nonsense! ;-)

144 posted on 01/12/2005 2:13:11 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Lo' `aleykha hamela'kha ligmor, 'aval lo' 'attah ben chorin lehibatel mimennah.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
Um . . . thanks. But I know better than to get involved in all that "American is the Lost Tribes of Israel" nonsense! ;-)

Agreed. DNA studies suggest that western Europeans are actually descended from.... (gasp)... Ice Age western Europeans... not from lost tribes of Semites.

But I thought you might find it interesting.

145 posted on 01/12/2005 2:15:02 PM PST by Rytwyng (we're here, we're Huguenots, get used to us)
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To: Al Gator
I think this idea that the founders were "pro-israel" is a real stretch.

Well if you interpret "real stretch" as "complete B.S." you are pretty close.

146 posted on 01/12/2005 2:17:44 PM PST by hopespringseternal
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To: wideawake
Auto de Fe. Convert or die is slaughter too.

Imagine a missionary of some weird sect knocking at your household door one Sunday afternoon. A posse of missionaries carrying H&K machine pistols with black flak jackets and goose-stepper style helmets. They chase you -- you run holding your baby in your arms into a bedroom closet, cowering. Yet they rush in, rip the closet door off its tracks and slam it into the floor. Their jackboots stomp and crush the lauan plywood veneer to splinters. One missionary jams his machine gun barrel into your checks and smiles lovingly. Another rips your babe from your arms. The take the baby from you, taking the child to their Cathedral of the Spirit to be held against the magic healing krystal and sold for a benefice to a good weirdo-sectarian family.

Imagine that the weirdo-sectarians have gained political powers and hold sway over your community. Next week, next month at some lottery-picked time they'll be back for you. Convert or die.

Oh. You'll never see your baby ever again.

Yes. I guess that's not "slaughter", eh?

147 posted on 01/12/2005 2:29:05 PM PST by bvw
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To: wideawake

You are right about the bloody Cossacks not being Polish. I apologize for not making that clear. But they did drive most Jews in Poland then to the west, as I understand.


148 posted on 01/12/2005 2:31:56 PM PST by bvw
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To: SJackson

No no no....Iceland is the lost tribe of Benjamen...lol


actually...that is loony CI lore...which frankly with all due respect is about as big a stretch as some theories being floated on this thread.

it is fun though..


someone is gonna come along and swear the USA is the Northern Kingdom if they haven't already....

is Lost Tribes or CeltJew still around?


149 posted on 01/12/2005 2:37:29 PM PST by wardaddy (Quisiera ser un pez para tocar mi nariz en tu pecera)
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To: wideawake
"There were no Jews on the Mayflower. The first Jews on American soil came not from England, but from Brazil and they arrived in New Amsterdam in January 1654. The Mayflower landed in America in November 1620."

You didn't address the "strangers" that were on the Mayflower. I am aware of the "separatists" and why they were on the Mayflower. Simply stating there were no Jews on board doesn't make it so.
150 posted on 01/12/2005 2:50:07 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: SJackson
I've seen both terms used "separatists" and "strangers" in referring to different people. Wish I had my old school books ... .
151 posted on 01/12/2005 2:51:53 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: wideawake
Oh please!

Let's not get started on the age old Catholics are Bible based. Catholics are NOT.

This country was founded by Bible based Protestants.
152 posted on 01/12/2005 2:53:21 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: wideawake

I am also shocked at what you write.

That sure isn't kosher history!


153 posted on 01/12/2005 2:54:46 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: wideawake

Wrong. Spain did slaughter Jews. They ordered all Jews out of the country or converted on pain of death. Those who refused to emigrate were killed. They also slaughtered Morronos (Anusim) -- Jews who feigned conversion to Christianity, but secretly practiced Judaism -- after the expulsion.


154 posted on 01/12/2005 3:02:11 PM PST by ChicagoHebrew (Hell exists, it is real. It's a quiet green meadow populated entirely by Arab goat herders.)
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To: SJackson

It's my understanding that they were tolerated in small numbers. Not exactly out in the open, but not terribly secretive.


155 posted on 01/12/2005 3:03:29 PM PST by ChicagoHebrew (Hell exists, it is real. It's a quiet green meadow populated entirely by Arab goat herders.)
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To: wideawake
"Catholic beliefs are Bible-based as well. So are Lutheran beliefs, which the pilgrims also rejected. So are Anglican beliefs, which the pilgrims also rejected. So are Presbyterian beliefs, which the pilgrims also rejected."

The Pilgrims rejected Catholic beliefs and all other non Bible based beliefs. It is Protestants that are Bible based but over time some of them have slipped into being humanistic beliefs but Catholics have never been Bible based - although you like to believe so.

I am also not going to do a Bible vs Catholic debate. You and I have met up before. Refer to an old thread on it.

Pilgrims wanted a BIBLE based way of life and why they fled Europe.

"No, they wanted a life based on their own personal interpretation of the Bible. When colonists like Roger Williams and Anne Hutchinson interpreted the Bible differently from them, they expelled them from the community."

Geesh! No, the Hebrew and Greek words mean something specific. Just as your Latin does. Latin was NOT the language of the ordinary people. You certainly have a strange way of dealing with nonCatholics and rewriting history at the same time to suit your worldview. You're just looking for an argument based on dislike of Protestants who founded this country. You'd rather it had been Catholics. I'm just not biting not am I going to great pains to refute your numerous distortions.

Being BIBLE based is why there is a love for Jews.

"The pilgrims didn't love Jews, they in fact banned them from their colony. The first Jew to set up a business in the New World was Solomon Franco (he was not a colonist, since he was a Dutch citizen) in 1649. He was promptly expelled by the Massachusetts Bay colony."

More false statements and it goes on and on.

The Pilgrims were so caring they managed to live with the Indians peacefully for quite a few years as well as Jewish people. It's really a shame that you need to resort to divisive rewritten liberal propaganda to get attention.
156 posted on 01/12/2005 3:04:24 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: SJackson

157 posted on 01/12/2005 3:08:44 PM PST by timestax
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To: ChicagoHebrew
"Wrong. Spain did slaughter Jews. They ordered all Jews out of the country or converted on pain of death. Those who refused to emigrate were killed. They also slaughtered Morronos (Anusim) -- Jews who feigned conversion to Christianity, but secretly practiced Judaism -- after the expulsion."

When it comes to dealing with "wideawake" rewritten history and hiding behind it's a matter of "interpretation" is the rule.

Catholics are notorious for their hatred of Jews. The Inquisition and the Crusades come to mind. Each was orchestrated by their pope. Their latest pope gave some vague apology to the Jews for their actions against them.

As to being a "Bible based" religion this has never been true. The Catholic hated Luther got tired of their "indulgences" and other nonBiblical beliefs and split off from them. Luther was later vindicated when even the their pope acknowledged that it is faith that saves you not works. Catholics were lead to believe you could work your way to heaven. Purgatory is another exploitation - to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord - totally contradicts this belief of theirs.

Their communion consists of literally imagining that you are eating the flesh of Jesus and drinking His blood. This is an abomination. No where in the Bible is drinking human blood or eating human flesh approved of so it is properly interpreted as symbolic in remembrance of Him. Mary didn't magically ascend to heaven either - another add on that is not Biblically based.

Getting back to Luther, who is always trashed by Catholics, in his later years his Catholic antisemitism showed. His writings on Jews were atrocious but this was part of the Catholic belief at the time that Jews were Christ killers. If any had bothered to open the Bible they would have seen, even as far back as Genesis, this sacrifice of Christ was predetermined since none of us are capable of infallibility spiritually or otherwise. Again, their pope is supposed to be infallible - LOL!

It goes on and one ... Peter was married ...there is no apostolic succession ... etc.etc. etc.. Wideawake will never acknowledge this. According to wideawake opposing doctrine is all equal even if it is not Bible based.

I'm sure you get the picture. It's not worth wasting time on and I cover only the tip of the nonBiblical iceberg of Catholicism.
158 posted on 01/12/2005 4:16:13 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: wardaddy
No no no....Iceland is the lost tribe of Benjamen...lol

If they're not in Japan. Lost Tribe has been gone for awhile. Entertaining posts, but way too long. I don't remember CeltJew

159 posted on 01/12/2005 4:47:17 PM PST by SJackson ( Bush is as free as a bird, He is only accountable to history and God, Ra'anan Gissin)
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To: bearsgirl90; SJackson; Red Badger; Jeremiah Jr; Lijahsbubbe; dennisw; concretebob; Quix; ...
Thanks for the ping, bg90!!

This is no mystery. Brit = covenant, or alliance. There's a double meaning here.

First of all, the US is just that, the "United" States... an alliance (brit) of lands (artzot, states). The "State" of Israel is, after all, Eretz (land, singular) Israel. Similar type of language usage, IMO.

In one of my dictionaries (sorry,don't have them on hand), the entries go like this, one directly after the other:

Eretz Israel (Land of Israel)
eretz moledet (native land)
Artzot habrit (United States)

 

Secondly, the name speaks of the mystery of the House of Joseph, also named for the greater (albeit younger) son, Ephraim (Ezekiel 37)

Genesis 48:18-20

18 And Joseph said unto his father, Not so, my father: for this is the firstborn; put thy right hand upon his head.
19 And his father refused, and said, I know it, my son, I know it: he also shall become a people, and he also shall be great: but truly his younger brother shall be greater than he, and his seed shall become a multitude of nations.
20 And he blessed them that day, saying, In thee shall Israel bless, saying, God make thee as Ephraim and as Manasseh: and he set Ephraim before Manasseh.

multitude of nations = melo hagoyim

04393 m@lo' {mel-o'} rarely m@low' {mel-o'} or m@low (Ez 41:8), {mel-o'}
from 04390; TWOT - 1195b; n m

AV - full 12, fulness 8, all that is therein 7, all 2, fill 2,
handful 2, multitude 2, handful + 07062 1, handfuls + 02651 1; 37

1) fullness, that which fills
1a) fulness, handful
1b) mass, multitude
1c) fulness, that which fills, entire contents
1d) full length, full line

+

01471 gowy {go'-ee} rarely (shortened) goy {go'-ee}
apparently from the same root as 01465; TWOT - 326

AV - nation 374, heathen 143, Gentiles 30, people 11; 558
n m

1) nation, people
1a) nation, people
1a1) usually of non-Hebrew people
1a2) of descendants of Abraham
1a3) of Israel
1b) of swarm of locusts, other animals (fig.)
n pr m
1c) Goyim? = "nations"

melo hagoyim =

FULLNESS OF THE GENTILES

That would be Ephraim. Note the [modern day] Jewish Sabbath blessing for sons, which is taken from the above passage:

God make thee as Ephraim and as Manasseh

The Jewish people are blessing their sons such that the children will be as blessed as America is blessed (and Manasseh, which is Great Britain, the elder son). And wouldn't you know, the highest percentage of diaspora Jews resides in the US. Hmmm...

Note to those who have the usual knee-jerk reaction to the above: Just because certain people [falsely] believe that the church or Celts or whoever has replaced the House of Judah (the Christian Identity groups will have their "reward"), it does not also mean that the House of Israel/Joseph has no modern-day equivalent. . It would be equally wrong to despise Jews because certain among them are leftist self-hating atheists. It is legitimate to studyor ponder the wherabouts of Joseph, especially considering the events in Ezekiel chapter 37. And his bones were brought up out of Egypt for a reason.

Just as the modern-day nation of Israel represents the regathering of the House of Judah, the United States of America is the nation representing the gathering [out of the nations] of the House of Israel, otherwise called the House of Joseph, or Ephraim.

Joseph, the skilled administrator/vizier, saved Egypt and the surrounding nations from famine. What modern nation ends up coming to the rescue (whether people like it or not , whether they agree or disagree) when there is a major crisis anywhere on the planet? What modern nation is blessed beyond anything the world has ever seen? What nation is the envy of the world? What nation has a peculiar relationship to and kinship with the State of Israel? What nation (besides the Jewish state) is utterly despised by the nations headed by the children of Ishmael? What nation, besides the Jewish state, was founded upon a gathering out of nations? Etc...

America, the coat of many colours, is not limited to any one racial group. The country was founded on the principle of liberty and justice for all, and the immigrants (and descendants of immigrants) who made or make America great, are those who hold fast to that freedom spirit, which demands hard work, responsibilty, integrity, etc. These (as opposed to the slothful interlopers and lazy citizens by birth) are by nature sons of the freewoman, who is Sarah. Her children (through Isaac shall Araham's seed be called) have come from every corner of the globe. Perhaps the majority are Christians, or of Anglo decent, but that really is not the point. There is no need to get caught up in migration studies and theories. Who is to say what the agenda is, of any given researcher. I don't particularly care. What the Bible says is, however, relevant.

 

Romans 11:24-26

24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

When was Israel blind? Such a scenario is described in the book of Genesis, wherein Ephraim and Manasseh are given their blessings...


Genesis 48:10-13

10 Now the eyes of Israel were dim for age, so that he could not see. And he brought them near unto him; and he kissed them, and embraced them.
11 And Israel said unto Joseph, I had not thought to see thy face: and, lo, God hath shewed me also thy seed.
12 And Joseph brought them out from between his knees, and he bowed himself with his face to the earth.
13 And Joseph took them both, Ephraim in his right hand toward Israel's left hand, and Manasseh in his left hand toward Israel's right hand, and brought them near unto him.

>>>


Genesis 48:17-20

17 And when Joseph saw that his father laid his right hand upon the head of Ephraim, it displeased him: and he held up his father's hand, to remove it from Ephraim's head unto Manasseh's head.
18 And Joseph said unto his father, Not so, my father: for this is the firstborn; put thy right hand upon his head.
19 And his father refused, and said, I know it, my son, I know it: he also shall become a people, and he also shall be great: but truly his younger brother shall be greater than he, and his seed shall become a multitude of nations.
20 And he blessed them that day, saying, In thee shall Israel bless, saying, God make thee as Ephraim and as Manasseh: and he set Ephraim before Manasseh.

One could even look at a map of the United States, and see that the "head" (the most northerly state, separate from the others) resembles the head of a bird or animal with a horn. The top (crown) of this head, is where the country's oil has been found. Compare:


Genesis 49:26 The blessings of thy father have prevailed above the blessings of my progenitors unto the utmost bound of the everlasting hills: they shall be on the head of Joseph, and on the crown of the head of him that was separate from his brethren.

Oil, as in an annointing.


Deuteronomy 33:13-17

13 And of Joseph he said, Blessed of the LORD be his land, for the precious things of heaven, for the dew, and for the deep that coucheth beneath,
14 And for the precious fruits brought forth by the sun, and for the precious things put forth by the moon,
15 And for the chief things of the ancient mountains, and for the precious things of the lasting hills,
16 And for the precious things of the earth and fulness thereof, and for the good will of him that dwelt in the bush: let the blessing come upon the head of Joseph, and upon the top of the head of him that was separated from his brethren.
17 His glory is like the firstling of his bullock, and his horns are like the horns of unicorns: with them he shall push the people together to the ends of the earth: and they are the ten thousands of Ephraim, and they are the thousands of Manasseh.

It goes on and on.

What happened to the Israelites when they forgot God and turned to idols? Scripture is full of these cause and effect situations. They are supposed to serve as examples. There are plenty of fingers pointed at the Jews, but there are two houses. The Northern Kingdom is the last who should be finding fault with the Southern Kingdom.

On the tsunami threads last week, I spotted a photo and side-story that really jumped out, as if it were a sign: the hospital ship Mercy departing the US. It reminded me of...


Hosea 1:5-11

5 And it shall come to pass at that day, that I will break the bow of Israel in the valley of Jezreel.
6 And she conceived again, and bare a daughter. And God said unto him, Call her name Loruhamah: for I will no more have mercy upon the house of Israel; but I will utterly take them away.
7 But I will have mercy upon the house of Judah, and will save them by the LORD their God, and will not save them by bow, nor by sword, nor by battle, by horses, nor by horsemen.
8 Now when she had weaned Loruhamah, she conceived, and bare a son.
9 Then said God, Call his name Loammi: for ye are not my people, and I will not be your God.
10 Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God.
11 Then shall the children of Judah and the children of Israel be gathered together, and appoint themselves one head, and they shall come up out of the land: for great shall be the day of Jezreel.

LoRuhamah = "no mercy"

That Mercy was departing the US caught my attention and stuck in my mind in light of this passage. I didn't pay attention to the details of this ship's itinerary or location. All I noticed at the time, was that the ship was leaving the US for Indonesia. Too much imagination? Perhaps, but this symbolism was brought back to me a second time...

Yesterday, I found myself looking right at her. I happen to be in Pearl Harbor this week. As I was leaving Ford Island and crossing the bridge, she suddenly came into view, being docked in the harbor between the bridge and the Arizona Memorial complex. What an impressive sight! There was the Mercy, across the harbor from the Arizona Memorial itself, and also across from the USS Missouri, the battleship on which the Japanese surrender was signed. A memorial to the victims of an horrendous attack, a monument of the enemy's surrender, and Mercy, together in one place. At least temporarily. I don't know if Mercy has departed the US yet, but if not, it won't be much longer.

Whoops, never mind...

"The USNS Mercy is due to set sail today from Hawaii en route to the Indian Ocean to aid survivors of the Dec. 26 earthquake and tsunami in south Asia. The disaster left tens of thousands of people without access to basic medical care and medical supplies and destroyed much of the region's infrastructure."

From...

Project HOPE Prepares to Direct Relief Team on the Navy's Hospital Medical Ship
Wednesday January 12, 4:19 pm ET

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050112/dcw060_1.html

 

160 posted on 01/12/2005 4:48:28 PM PST by Thinkin' Gal
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