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Hebrew name for US "Lands of the Covenant" remains mystery
IMRA ^ | 1-12-05

Posted on 01/12/2005 5:00:05 AM PST by SJackson

Hebrew name for US "Lands of the Covenant" remains mystery Aaron Lerner Date: 11 January 2005

The United States is called "Lands of the Covenant" (Artzot Habrit) in Hebrew.

It is commonly thought that this name was given in order to avoid confusion with the Hebrew name for the United Nations.

IMRA asked Israel Radio's "Moment of Hebrew" program for the source of the name.

They find that the term appears in Hebrew papers as early as 1857 - in the Hamagid L'Israel weekly.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 1857; artzothabrit; hebrew; landsofthecovenant
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To: nmh

Check this out:
http://www.aish.com/literacy/jewishhistory/Crash_Course_in_Jewish_History_Part_55_-_Jews_and_the_Founding_of_America.asp


121 posted on 01/12/2005 10:38:52 AM PST by Pharmboy (Listen...you can still hear the old media sobbing.)
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To: Preachin'
Being a covenant society, unlike Germany or France for example may be the simple answer, but it is rooted in religion.
122 posted on 01/12/2005 10:40:19 AM PST by CyberCowboy777 (Well.... I'll be)
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To: weenie

The work 'Yankee' might have also originated with the Iriquois word for white peole which was Yengee (spelling approximated).
Seems to be the Israeli designation for the United States would be a contemporary word. Proud to be so described, however.


123 posted on 01/12/2005 10:41:59 AM PST by ArmyTeach (Pray daily for our troops.)
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To: Floyd R Turbo
Since all 12 tribes of Israel were present during the exodus, maybe the Pilgrims identified with the 10 of those tribes which were never called Jewish, and who were the Pilgrims ancestors?

I don't think so, they simply identified with the persecution and "exodus" to the new world.

124 posted on 01/12/2005 10:46:24 AM PST by SJackson ( Bush is as free as a bird, He is only accountable to history and God, Ra'anan Gissin)
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To: nmh; Pharmboy
nmh, you're way off.

(1) The colonists from the Mayflower were called "separatists" because they separated themselves from the Church of England, which they believed to be corrupt.

The term "separatists" designates Christians, specifically Christians who believed in a Calvinist interpretation of Scripture.

(2) There were no Jews on the Mayflower. The first Jews on American soil came not from England, but from Brazil and they arrived in New Amsterdam in January 1654. The Mayflower landed in America in November 1620.

You're just completely wrong on this one.

125 posted on 01/12/2005 10:48:33 AM PST by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: nmh

I don't think I'd rely on that source. Though strangers is mentioned in Bradford's diary, it's my understanding the Pilgrims didn't use that term. That there could have been 60+ Jews on the Mayflower is ludicrous. While it's possible, as Pharmboy noted, a converso could have been picked up along the way, if there were any credible evidence that happened there would be multiple sources referring to it, at least within the Jewish community.


126 posted on 01/12/2005 10:50:16 AM PST by SJackson ( Bush is as free as a bird, He is only accountable to history and God, Ra'anan Gissin)
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To: RaceBannon
Interesting, but there is no covenant with the US in the Bible, in fact, the US is not in the Bible at all. But, interesting.

We'll come out with a new translation, problem solved!

127 posted on 01/12/2005 10:50:59 AM PST by SJackson ( Bush is as free as a bird, He is only accountable to history and God, Ra'anan Gissin)
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To: wideawake

Yep...you've lived up to your screenname friend.


128 posted on 01/12/2005 10:52:48 AM PST by Pharmboy (Listen...you can still hear the old media sobbing.)
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To: Pharmboy

Good straightforward explanation in the article, though I've usually seen Thanksgiving related to Sukkot rather than Yom Kippur.


129 posted on 01/12/2005 11:01:33 AM PST by SJackson ( Bush is as free as a bird, He is only accountable to history and God, Ra'anan Gissin)
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To: nmh
Pilgrims had issues on the beliefs of Catholics since they are BIBLE based.

Catholic beliefs are Bible-based as well. So are Lutheran beliefs, which the pilgrims also rejected. So are Anglican beliefs, which the pilgrims also rejected. So are Presbyterian beliefs, which the pilgrims also rejected.

Pilgrims and Jews share the Old Testament.

As do Catholics and Anglicans and Lutherans and Presbyterians and Pentecostals and Eastern Orthodox, etc.

Pilgrims wanted a BIBLE based way of life and why they fled Europe.

No, they wanted a life based on their own personal interpretation of the Bible. When colonists like Roger Williams and Anne Hutchinson interpreted the Bible differently from them, they expelled them from the community.

Being BIBLE based is why there is a love for Jews.

The pilgrims didn't love Jews, they in fact banned them from their colony. The first Jew to set up a business in the New World was Solomon Franco (he was not a colonist, since he was a Dutch citizen) in 1649. He was promptly expelled by the Massachusetts Bay colony.

Rhode Island, Maryland, the Carolinas and New York became the first colonies to permit Jews to residence and rights in the New World and that is why the first synagogue in America was in Rhode Island - Jews were not allowed to settle in Massachusetts.

They take the Old Testament to heart!

The Old Testament says that Israel must show mercy to the strangers sojourning among them because they themselves were wandering strangers. The Mayflower colonists apparently thought that this Scriptural teaching was completely inapplicable and meaningless.

130 posted on 01/12/2005 11:01:59 AM PST by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: Pharmboy; nmh; SJackson
The 104 Mayflower colonists broke down into four groups:

(1) 41 committed Puritan believers.

(2) 40 regular Englishmen who just wanted to emigrate.

(3) 5 men hired by the colonists for one year to help them get started.

(4) 18 servants and apprentices.

If a committed Puritan referred to to "saints" and "strangers", he meant by "saints" people who shared his peculiar beliefs and by "strangers" he meant people who did not share his peculiar beliefs.

The Puritan Bradford, for example, would have called Jews by the term he usually used for Jews, which was "Jews".

131 posted on 01/12/2005 11:17:44 AM PST by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: wideawake

And what did the Puritans think of the Jews? Worse than Catholics and Quakers, the same or better?


132 posted on 01/12/2005 11:41:35 AM PST by Pharmboy (Listen...you can still hear the old media sobbing.)
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To: nmh; Pharmboy
I find it highly unlikely that there were any Jews on the Mayflower. The Spanish-Portugese Synagouge in New York traces itself back to the first Jews who arrived in the United States. They came in 1654 as prisoners captured by pirates and ransomed for freedom in New Amerstdam (now New York) by the Spanish-Portugese community in old Amsterdam.

If there were Jews here prior to 1654, why are there no records of any synagouges? Why would the Spanish-Portugese Jewish community have no record of them (since these Jews would assuredly have been Spanish-Portugese, as all Jews in Amsterdam and England were at the time).

Furthermore, the Pilgrims fled for a specific kind of religious freedom -- their own. They were hardly tolerant of non-Puritans, making a voyage with Jews highly unlikely.

Fyi, my earliest ancestors arrived in 1616, but they were gentiles (one of my great-grandfathers was a WASP)

133 posted on 01/12/2005 11:45:48 AM PST by ChicagoHebrew (Hell exists, it is real. It's a quiet green meadow populated entirely by Arab goat herders.)
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To: SJackson

See my post on 132. There were Spanish-Portugese Jews in England (although not formally readmitted) and Amsterdam at the time of the Mayflower, but it is highly unlikely that they would have joined the Mayflower.


134 posted on 01/12/2005 11:47:43 AM PST by ChicagoHebrew (Hell exists, it is real. It's a quiet green meadow populated entirely by Arab goat herders.)
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To: rogers21774

Go read up on the masons and masonic iconography then. There is no doubt as to what it is, it is the "star of david" -- and the five pointed stars are the "star of solomon".


135 posted on 01/12/2005 11:50:26 AM PST by bvw
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To: ChicagoHebrew
since these Jews would assuredly have been Spanish-Portugese, as all Jews in Amsterdam and England were at the time).

Fascinating stuff. You have probably never heard of the Melungeons, a group of people in Virginia, believed to be of Portuguese descent. They are just grouped into "Indians" though where their blue eyes come from, nobody knows, but suspect Norway and/or Ireland

136 posted on 01/12/2005 11:57:20 AM PST by D Edmund Joaquin (Secret Agent Man (Step away,Ma'am, I've been labeled " a danger"))
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To: ChicagoHebrew
There were Ashenaz and Sephardi in Amsterdam at the time. Ashkenazi Jews for many many years, Sephardic arriving as the Spanish Christians full of idiotic arrogance slaughered and drove out the very source of their true wealth. Bogdan Chmielnicki and his bloody Cossacks were slaughtering on horseback and driving the remnant Jews out of Poland.

The Dutch and European trading companies that sponsored these trading and provsioning trips -- Minuet, May, the Mayflower, etc -- had Jews as directors. There were Jews in North America prior to that bunch from Recife -- they were not organized into a community like the Recife group, and thus are forgotten.

137 posted on 01/12/2005 12:04:38 PM PST by bvw
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To: ChicagoHebrew
There were Spanish-Portugese Jews in England (although not formally readmitted)...

I was under the impression Jews weren't "re-admitted till the mid 1650s. Were they essentially underground or were they able to be openly Jewish?

138 posted on 01/12/2005 12:27:47 PM PST by SJackson ( Bush is as free as a bird, He is only accountable to history and God, Ra'anan Gissin)
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To: Al Gator
I just looked at a dollar bill, all I see over the eagle is the 13 stars representing the original colonies. I do not see the "star of david" anywhere.

Look again and you will see that the 13 stars are arranged to fit into and make the pattern of the star of David without a doubt. The Eagle holds 13 arrows and an olive branch with 13 leaves. The founding fathers and George Washington considered the 13 colonies to be the new Israel in may writings and well known documents.

139 posted on 01/12/2005 12:47:22 PM PST by Mat_Helm
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To: Pharmboy
And what did the Puritans think of the Jews? Worse than Catholics and Quakers, the same or better?

They thought they were just as bad spiritually, but that they were less physically dangerous to the "saints", since unlike the Catholics they had no army and unlike the Quakers they were not allowed to own property.

140 posted on 01/12/2005 1:03:46 PM PST by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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