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The Birth of the "FReepCast"? (BitTorrent Broadcasting)
January 12th, 2005 | Remember_Salamis

Posted on 01/11/2005 11:48:52 PM PST by Remember_Salamis

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1 posted on 01/11/2005 11:48:52 PM PST by Remember_Salamis
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To: PetroniusMaximus; DoughtyOne; InterceptPoint

Bump for the legal version of the post (sorry admin).


2 posted on 01/11/2005 11:51:40 PM PST by Remember_Salamis (A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one!)
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To: Remember_Salamis

While I'm sure that the anti-freeware contingent will come in and complain, this idea strikes me as being sound. The only question is: what would we be FReepCasting?


3 posted on 01/11/2005 11:54:47 PM PST by kingu (Which would you bet on? Iraq and Afghanistan? Or Haiti and Kosovo?)
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To: Remember_Salamis

Bookmarking.

I'm gonna keep an eye on this.


4 posted on 01/11/2005 11:57:12 PM PST by RandallFlagg (FReepers, Do NOT let the voter fraud stories die!!!! (Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name))
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To: kingu; RandallFlagg; All
A BitTorrent Broadcast is actually insanely simple.

Although I don't have a blog myself (I use FreeRepublic as my soapbox), many bloggers use a "News Aggregator" to dynamically update their blogs.

Radio UserLand

bitTorrentIntegration.root

Go here for more

5 posted on 01/12/2005 12:28:43 AM PST by Remember_Salamis (A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one!)
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To: RandallFlagg

Instead of keeping an eye on it, can you get together some FReepin' programmers and Bloggers with some experience???

I can come up with really good ideas, but I'm short on technical expertise.


6 posted on 01/12/2005 12:31:12 AM PST by Remember_Salamis (A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one!)
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To: kingu
"what would we be FReepCasting?"

Well the daily Pookie Toons would be a good start. On a country dial-up it often takes 4 or 5 refreshes to get to see all the pics. Also various vids would be easier shared via BT.

Actually BTs Deserve their own sidebar area on the main search page.

Shut down the Alphabet Channels (ABJazerra & Her Sister Stations)!
Vote with your Remote!

Christmas Heart
But, I Have A Plan
Zippo Hero
Seven Dead Monkeys Page O Tunes

7 posted on 01/12/2005 12:36:45 AM PST by rawcatslyentist (Man, You should have seen them, kickin Edgar Allen Poe! Koo Koo Kachoo)
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16 December, 2003 | Broadcatching with BitTorrent Or, RSS meets BitTorrent meets TiVo. The other day, Steve Gillmor wrote about BitTorrent and RSS and how they could be combined to create a “disruptive revolution.” He’s half right. RSS and BT are indeed two great tastes that taste great together, but Gillmor’s vision is upside down: we shouldn’t use BitTorrent to carry RSS, we should use RSS to carry BitTorrent. Let me explain. But first, some background. RSS (RDF Site Summary) is a simple format for syndicating content on the web. These days, the most common application of RSS is subscribing to weblogs: you tell your computer to check an RSS file for changes every so often, and then it notifies you when there’s something new to read. If you’re like me and you read one metric shitload of news every day, this is a life-saver. BitTorrent, the brainchild of Bram Cohen, is the current cool-kids’ P2P program. It works sort of like Kazaa, but at a lower level. It doesn’t handle searching for new files, it doesn’t have a media player, it just concentrates on downloading big files efficiently. Okay. Two solutions in search of a problem. Here’s a problem: I have a weakness. I am addicted to the show Alias. I watched the first couple episodes of season two as it aired, and I was hooked. In my honest moments, I’ll admit that the show’s appeal is mostly due to the callipygian Jennifer Garner. It’s a weakness; we deal. But it gets worse. I go out on Sunday nights, when Alias airs, and I don’t want to give that up. That’s why God created the VCR, I know, but to compound the problem, I don’t have TV. I don’t want to have TV, because I love the feeling of superiority that I get by not having it. This system is at tension, it has no rest, its forces are unbalanced, it wants to be resolved. A partial answer. The internet, it turns out, is great at resolving different kinds of tensions, and this is one of them. After a few weeks of missed episodes, I realized that with a little patience, a P2P program like Kazaa was able to fetch back-episodes with aplomb. Each file is around 450 megs, fairly high-quality video, with commercials cut out. I start a few episodes downloading, and by the next evening, they’re ready to watch, whenever I have the time. After a few weeks of enjoying this, a new tension emerged: I had caught up with all of the old episodes, and I had to wait a week for each new one. The problem is that the Kazaa protocol isn’t especially well-tuned for getting brand new files: first someone has to record the show as it airs, cut out the commercials, and compress it to a reasonable size, then seed it on the network. Then, it has to slowly propagate to its peers, each transfer taking hours. It might take three days before it’s available on enough peers that I’m able to even find it, let alone download it. BitTorrent to the rescue. The solution is BitTorrent. BitTorrent operates on similar principles to Kazaa, but it’s tuned differently: it excels at downloading files that are new or currently in high demand. It breaks large files into many small chunks, and coordinates their assemblage, so that users can tap into a swarm and distribute the load evenly. At the same time that you’re downloading a chunk, another user is downloading an earlier chunk from you — no one server is overwhelmed, and the more popular a file, the higher its availability is. It’s perfect for large files that are most interesting when they’re fresh — in other words, it’s perfect for TV shows. In many cases, I have been able to use BitTorrent to completely download a new TV show mere hours after the show airs. Like a TiVo user, I’m no longer bound to a specific time to watch my shows. I’m free to go out on Sunday night and still watch my show while it’s brand new. TV is now asynchronous. Life is good. But it could be better. RSS has revolutionized the way I consume some types of content, like weblogs and news. Instead of compulsively reloading a huge list of bookmarks looking for updates, my RSS reader scans them all every hour, and summarizes what’s new — allowing me to keep current on more sources with far less effort and waste. Imagine if I had the same efficiency retrieving video files. With the addition of RSS, BitTorrent could really be taken to the next level, and I’d be able to forget about the plumbing of TV altogether. I want RSS feeds of BitTorrent files. A script would periodically check the feed for new items, and use them to start the download. Then, I could find a trusted publisher of an Alias RSS feed, and “subscribe” to all new episodes of the show, which would then start downloading automatically — like the “season pass” feature of the TiVo. You know, for kids. Illegitimate uses of this system would obviously abound. But the potential legitimate uses are huge as well. For one, traditional content providers (like the TV networks) could take advantage of the demand for their programming by scooping the copyright infringers. If ABC released Alias on BitTorrent with advertising built in, the file could be delivered to their audience very fast, and would cost them next to nothing in distribution costs. The economics of producing video programming would be upended — each viewer of the program would, in effect, foot the bill for a tiny slice of the distribution overhead, causing a massive component of traditional media company infrastructure to become obsolete. The point that Gillmor misses is that RSS files and JPEG graphics are small, and BitTorrent’s overhead makes it ill-suited for small files. The BT/RSS combo is potent, but its potential lies in using each technology’s strengths — RSS for syndication: low-overhead references to fresh content — and BitTorrent for the heavy lifting: swarming transport for high-demand, big files. The beauty is that this synergy can so easily be realized. You can start publishing RSS feeds of BT files today: just point to a .torrent file in the element. A user who consumes the feed in their favorite RSS reader will be able to start the BitTorrent download with one click. Then, as the creators of RSS software catch on, they can automatically start the BT program when they encounter a new .torrent link. The result: the TV distribution networks are completely end-run by an ad-hoc, decentralized, loosely-coupled network. And in the process, significant opportunities are afforded to independent content producers of audio and video to reach a mass audience with insignificant distribution costs.
8 posted on 01/12/2005 12:41:06 AM PST by Remember_Salamis (A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one!)
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16 December, 2003 | Broadcatching with BitTorrent

Or, RSS meets BitTorrent meets TiVo.

The other day, Steve Gillmor wrote about BitTorrent and RSS and how they could be combined to create a “disruptive revolution.” He’s half right. RSS and BT are indeed two great tastes that taste great together, but Gillmor’s vision is upside down: we shouldn’t use BitTorrent to carry RSS, we should use RSS to carry BitTorrent. Let me explain.

But first, some background.

RSS (RDF Site Summary) is a simple format for syndicating content on the web. These days, the most common application of RSS is subscribing to weblogs: you tell your computer to check an RSS file for changes every so often, and then it notifies you when there’s something new to read. If you’re like me and you read one metric shitload of news every day, this is a life-saver.

BitTorrent, the brainchild of Bram Cohen, is the current cool-kids’ P2P program. It works sort of like Kazaa, but at a lower level. It doesn’t handle searching for new files, it doesn’t have a media player, it just concentrates on downloading big files efficiently.

Okay. Two solutions in search of a problem. Here’s a problem:

I have a weakness.

I am addicted to the show Alias. I watched the first couple episodes of season two as it aired, and I was hooked. In my honest moments, I’ll admit that the show’s appeal is mostly due to the callipygian Jennifer Garner. It’s a weakness; we deal.

But it gets worse. I go out on Sunday nights, when Alias airs, and I don’t want to give that up. That’s why God created the VCR, I know, but to compound the problem, I don’t have TV. I don’t want to have TV, because I love the feeling of superiority that I get by not having it.

This system is at tension, it has no rest, its forces are unbalanced, it wants to be resolved.

A partial answer.

The internet, it turns out, is great at resolving different kinds of tensions, and this is one of them. After a few weeks of missed episodes, I realized that with a little patience, a P2P program like Kazaa was able to fetch back-episodes with aplomb. Each file is around 450 megs, fairly high-quality video, with commercials cut out. I start a few episodes downloading, and by the next evening, they’re ready to watch, whenever I have the time.

After a few weeks of enjoying this, a new tension emerged: I had caught up with all of the old episodes, and I had to wait a week for each new one. The problem is that the Kazaa protocol isn’t especially well-tuned for getting brand new files: first someone has to record the show as it airs, cut out the commercials, and compress it to a reasonable size, then seed it on the network. Then, it has to slowly propagate to its peers, each transfer taking hours. It might take three days before it’s available on enough peers that I’m able to even find it, let alone download it.

BitTorrent to the rescue.

The solution is BitTorrent. BitTorrent operates on similar principles to Kazaa, but it’s tuned differently: it excels at downloading files that are new or currently in high demand. It breaks large files into many small chunks, and coordinates their assemblage, so that users can tap into a swarm and distribute the load evenly. At the same time that you’re downloading a chunk, another user is downloading an earlier chunk from you — no one server is overwhelmed, and the more popular a file, the higher its availability is. It’s perfect for large files that are most interesting when they’re fresh — in other words, it’s perfect for TV shows.

In many cases, I have been able to use BitTorrent to completely download a new TV show mere hours after the show airs. Like a TiVo user, I’m no longer bound to a specific time to watch my shows. I’m free to go out on Sunday night and still watch my show while it’s brand new. TV is now asynchronous.

Life is good.

But it could be better. RSS has revolutionized the way I consume some types of content, like weblogs and news. Instead of compulsively reloading a huge list of bookmarks looking for updates, my RSS reader scans them all every hour, and summarizes what’s new — allowing me to keep current on more sources with far less effort and waste.

Imagine if I had the same efficiency retrieving video files. With the addition of RSS, BitTorrent could really be taken to the next level, and I’d be able to forget about the plumbing of TV altogether. I want RSS feeds of BitTorrent files. A script would periodically check the feed for new items, and use them to start the download. Then, I could find a trusted publisher of an Alias RSS feed, and “subscribe” to all new episodes of the show, which would then start downloading automatically — like the “season pass” feature of the TiVo.

You know, for kids. Illegitimate uses of this system would obviously abound. But the potential legitimate uses are huge as well. For one, traditional content providers (like the TV networks) could take advantage of the demand for their programming by scooping the copyright infringers. If ABC released Alias on BitTorrent with advertising built in, the file could be delivered to their audience very fast, and would cost them next to nothing in distribution costs. The economics of producing video programming would be upended — each viewer of the program would, in effect, foot the bill for a tiny slice of the distribution overhead, causing a massive component of traditional media company infrastructure to become obsolete.

The point that Gillmor misses is that RSS files and JPEG graphics are small, and BitTorrent’s overhead makes it ill-suited for small files. The BT/RSS combo is potent, but its potential lies in using each technology’s strengths — RSS for syndication: low-overhead references to fresh content — and BitTorrent for the heavy lifting: swarming transport for high-demand, big files.

The beauty is that this synergy can so easily be realized. You can start publishing RSS feeds of BT files today: just point to a .torrent file in the element. A user who consumes the feed in their favorite RSS reader will be able to start the BitTorrent download with one click. Then, as the creators of RSS software catch on, they can automatically start the BT program when they encounter a new .torrent link.

The result: the TV distribution networks are completely end-run by an ad-hoc, decentralized, loosely-coupled network. And in the process, significant opportunities are afforded to independent content producers of audio and video to reach a mass audience with insignificant distribution costs.

9 posted on 01/12/2005 12:42:48 AM PST by Remember_Salamis (A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one!)
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To: Remember_Salamis

So like, um, how much malware can we expect in the BT? And didn't the FEDS just shut down Suprnova? I've been reluctant to get into bittorrent. It seems like another Napster.


10 posted on 01/12/2005 12:46:54 AM PST by Musket
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To: Musket

Suprnova was simply the a collector of information. Bittorrents lives on and works amazingly well. If the content is prepared, who needs broadcasters at all?


11 posted on 01/12/2005 12:49:11 AM PST by twntaipan ("A news organization’s credibility is all it has to sell, and at CBS, the shelves are empty.")
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To: Remember_Salamis; All
Vaguely related:

 Blog + Video = Vlog [TV-quality graphics + transitions and titles = homemade newscasting]

12 posted on 01/12/2005 12:51:21 AM PST by backhoe (-30-)
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To: Remember_Salamis

Nice idea, and BitTorrent in itself is not bad software, just when used improperly.

This would be a legal use by even the most strict definition of illegal use.

IF you get enough seeds in BT, it can be really fast. However, you need a big number or it won't go fast.

But, I would love to see Freeper-created video media etc. on our own Torrent server. That would be awesome. And the software is free.


13 posted on 01/12/2005 12:56:28 AM PST by rwfromkansas ("War is an ugly thing, but...the decayed feeling...which thinks nothing worth war, is worse." -Mill)
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To: Musket
Using BT to legally broadcast is COMPLETELY LEGAL! In fact, if FR were to do it, is would change the discourse of Blogs overnight.

The BT+RSS setup is simply a FREE way to take asvantage of a revolutionary new technology. RedSwoosh (a for-profit company) offers basically the same thing, but charges thousands of dollars.

The great thing about the BT+RSS setup called "Broadcatching") is that it will make the $$BILLIONS$$ OF DOLLARS in media infrastructure owned by the major networks obsolete.

14 posted on 01/12/2005 12:56:55 AM PST by Remember_Salamis (A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one!)
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To: Musket

You can expect NO malware from BT if you download the torrent files from a trusted site that screens (or originally created) the files (such as the site being proposed).

Bittorrent works by trackers. Basically you download a small file with generic information such as size, content of download, and (most importantly) an IP address of the tracker hosting the file.

The file is cut up into a bunch of chunks and as people download these chunks, they become available for others to download those chunks from you. The tracker will update your client in regards to who has what so your client will figure out where to get what chunks you need. In the end, the chunks come together to form the complete file(s).

Essentially the power of BT is that bandwidth is shifted from the central servers onto the "peers" downloading them. The more people downloading them, the faster that download speeds can become.

As far as federal involvement, as long as whatever is released is not pirated/copyrighted stuff, it is completely legal.


15 posted on 01/12/2005 12:57:35 AM PST by krakath
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To: twntaipan
That's my point. From what I've read, BT+RSS isn't very hard to do if you know how to use RSS as it is.

Check out RedSwoosh, inc. to see what an expensive, commercial version of the package looks like. But due to the beauty of open-source, it is available to us nobodys.

16 posted on 01/12/2005 12:59:10 AM PST by Remember_Salamis (A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one!)
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To: backhoe
Yeah but the VLOG is too slow. By using BitTorrent, you can make streaming media at least 5x faster without even changing software speeds.

BitTorrent was designed by a slightly autistic programmer up in Seattle.

17 posted on 01/12/2005 1:01:19 AM PST by Remember_Salamis (A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one!)
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To: rwfromkansas; All

Every FReeper would Seed!!!

So should we broadcast in our Pajamas??? :)


18 posted on 01/12/2005 1:02:21 AM PST by Remember_Salamis (A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one!)
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To: Musket

Suprnova violated copyright.

We could create our own torrents and share them, and since they would be created by us, there would not be a copyright problem. BT itself is not going to be found to be illegal since it can be used for legitimate purposes.

As long as we do not engage in sharing files that would get us into trouble for copyright issues, we would be fine.


19 posted on 01/12/2005 1:05:10 AM PST by rwfromkansas ("War is an ugly thing, but...the decayed feeling...which thinks nothing worth war, is worse." -Mill)
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To: rwfromkansas

In???


20 posted on 01/12/2005 1:06:18 AM PST by Remember_Salamis (A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one!)
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