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To: 1stFreedom; Charles H. (The_r0nin)
Good morning, I took your challenge to heart over breakfast, my local PC guy's website offers this. I left a few dollars extra to upgrade to a sleek case. Comes with shrinkwrap boxed OpenOffice 1.1, and a free after rebate color Epson printer.

Charles, I didn't even realize it, Apple is selling this as an "extension" to ITunes and IPod, who''s going to want a stock barebones integrated sound card for that? No one who knows the difference. This isn't elitist to others reading, the difference is as little as $20.

  Item
QTY
Price
Total:  466
 
remove  ASUS A7V400-MX Mboard (8X400VD3ALU) 1

54

   
remove  AMD Athlon XP-2400 2.0GHz 256K 266MHz 1

101

   
remove  Cooling Fan Socket A, 370 1

8

   
remove  512Mb PC3200 - 400MHz DDR Memory 1

72

   
remove  WD Caviar™ 80GB Ultra100 7200rpm 8M 1

72

   
remove  3.5" Floppy Disk Drive 1.44MB 1

7

   
remove  Integrated 3D AGP Video 1

   
remove  SONY 16x Speed DVD 1

25

   
remove  No CD/DVD-RW 1

   
remove  AC-97 3D Audio Controller 1

   
remove  ATX Tower Case 300W Power Supply 1

32

   
remove  Windows XP Home Edition CD ver. 1

95

   
remove  10/100Mbps Fast Ethernet 1

   
remove  1 Year Limited Warranty 1

   

89 posted on 01/12/2005 4:15:22 AM PST by JerseyHighlander
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To: JerseyHighlander
I left a few dollars extra to upgrade to a sleek case.

It's always hard to compare apples and oranges (no pun). Your system has a bigger hard drive and more memory, but the VIA integrated graphics are no match for ATI. The audio is low-end too. You need to swap that DVD for a CD/RW+DVD ROM combo drive. You can save some money by ditching the floppy, but you need to buy a Firewire card. The Mac comes with much more useful software, and you also need to use Windows XP Pro to get even close to OS X (so add $100 there). Now you have to get the cool box.

97 posted on 01/12/2005 6:29:34 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: JerseyHighlander

A few notes...

>>Integrated 3D AGP Video

Integrated graphics "cards" on PC motherboards are typically sub par in performance. The ATI 9200 in the Imac isn't a speed demon either, but I'd speculate it's above he PC's video chipset.

The processors are comparable, with the PC coming out on top. But that depends on the test -- the G4 is a 32/64/128 bit CPU.

And for your $466, what do you get? A good pc with a cludgy operating system. The Mac is not about the hardware, it's about style AND a killer OS. Windows IS NOT A KILLER OS. Not yet, maybe longhorn will be, but XP is crappy. I think MS hired design school dropouts to design the GUI.

So it's all subjective, if you are happy with a PC, buy one.

IMO, the best move apple can make is to release OSX for the PC platform. They'll never do it, but it would be great.


101 posted on 01/12/2005 7:47:56 AM PST by 1stFreedom
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To: JerseyHighlander

You also forgot to add a CD/RW, which the IMac comes with (DVD-R/CD-RW). So add about $20 or so to your list..


102 posted on 01/12/2005 7:49:00 AM PST by 1stFreedom
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To: JerseyHighlander
No one who knows the difference. This isn't elitist to others reading, the difference is as little as $20.

You did not account for the software that is included with the Mini Mac...

System software

Mac OS X version 10.3 “Panther,” includes Classic environment,
Mail
iChat AV
Safari
Sherlock
Address Book
QuickTime
iSync
iCal

Software

iTunes
iPhoto
iMovie
iDVD
GarageBand
AppleWorks
Quicken 2005 for Mac
Nanosaur 2
Marble Blast Gold
Apple Hardware Test

The System Software is included with OSX... but the rest are extras. The iLife package which includes the first five retails for $79. AppleWorks also retails for $79. Quicken 2005 for Mac is $70. NanoSaur 2 sells for $30. Marble Blast Gold is $20. That all totals $278.

Oh, and don't forget that the cd drive in the Mac Mini is a CD burner as well as capable of playing DVDs. And who assembles this? You or the seller who is warrantying it?

106 posted on 01/12/2005 10:21:40 AM PST by Swordmaker (Tagline now open, please ring bell.)
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