[Ichneumon]

Does anyone have any thoughtful comments or legitimate debate here,

Yup, sure do. But you don't, apparently.

I'm sorry if I misunderstood this site, but I wasn't aware that it might be a doctrinaire ideologically driven backslapping forum. Please tell me it isn't.

It isn't. That's why we flush newbies who come here with an enormous "doctrinaire ideologically driven" chip on their shoulders. Goodbye.

[superskunk]

Very nicely said.