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"He May Not Believe in the Facts" (Matthews, CBS Alert)
FreeRepublic ^ | 1/10/05 | self

Posted on 01/10/2005 4:30:53 PM PST by beyond the sea

A moron thin-lipped, lying, dark-haired, beady-eyed scumball, Mark Guenther (sp?), on Chris Matthews spewing bull about Dan Blather and SeeBS........... says of Dan Rather, "He may not believe in the facts." Is this too funny!?

'Spitball' Chris Matthews keeps trying to hold up the SeeBS crutches.......... not working!


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To: Txsleuth

" just like today Rep. Weiner (D) of New York was on Fox and said that it was okay for Bush to have swearing in ceremony on Jan 12, but because of the war and the tsunami, it would be in poor taste and just plain wrong to have the hoopla surrounging the inauguration."

Weiner should not have stopped there, to have any credibility.
He should introduce a bill in Congress mandating that all weddings, anniversary celebrations , birthday's, hotel receptions, cocktail parties , gallery openings, movie premieres, etc be banned until further notice.
No Hollywood awards shows, for sure.
Cancel the Oscars !
In fact, all forms of American enjoyment, including the NFL playoffs, The Super Bowl, college and high school basketball, cable and regular tv and Broadway theater and on and on, should go dark until the all clear is given.
And of course, all laughing should be suspended until the Democrats give the ok to smile again.


41 posted on 01/10/2005 8:03:18 PM PST by Wild Irish Rogue (The birth rate 9 months from now should be zero !!!)
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To: Wild Irish Rogue

And supposedly this Rep Weiner (D-NY) is considered one of the more rational and 'moderate' Dems of the NY contingent. Sure wouldn't notice with his jumping into quicksand to help save all the already suffocating Dems who signed onto the "Boxer/Waters Rebellion"


42 posted on 01/10/2005 8:21:11 PM PST by Mr_Moonlight
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To: Rennes Templar

No, but if you asked Yogi Berra I bet he'd think it should be, like I do. My dear brother used to make up his on words for different tenses of words and that's just one I can remember. It was kind of a tribute to him. I should have explained. Sorry, didn't mean to confuse anyone.


43 posted on 01/10/2005 10:02:47 PM PST by Oreo Kookey (How, indeed, do we click our tongues at beheadings and look the other way from abortion? I weep.)
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To: InvisibleChurch
facts are simple and facts are straight

Some observances from last night talk shows:

Pat Buchanan last night on Hardball: "Rather is using 'The Ted Baxter Defense' ............. I didn't know the facts."

CBS - "just a genuine screw up", "checks and balances fell off," "no political bias, just haste," "the culture of the newsroom," Moonves - "just a mistake," "Rather was just involved in compounding the error," "just a clouded judgment." Yep, like Hillary and her 'Cattle Futures'! No insider trading with her, she just wisely scrutinized the Wall Street Journal. Yep. Like Al Gore was sometimes inattentive and missed parts of fund-raising meetings. He drank a lot of iced tea during meetings, which could have necessitated a restroom break. Yep.

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Now some truth/speculation: 1. CBS aligned itself with party politics and the Kerry campaign. 2. Liz Trotta last night (1/10/05): "Mapes is a psychopathic liar." They were all willing to go with the story because they all agreed politically.

And think of this, just speculation from here on out. Is it a possibility that they all knew the documents were fake and would be seen as that eventually, but the damage done to Bush before and after that finding would be enough, in their minds, to shift enough votes to cause Bush to lose the election and push Kerry to victory? After all, the drunk driving news did the wonders in 2000.

And give this a thought. There are many in the industry ( Mort Zuckerman, Marvin Kalb, Bob Zelnick, etc, etc.) who still want to try to stand by Rather by suggesting that he did not know of the fraud of the memos, that Rather was perhaps too busy with a hurricane and the Republican Convention (yeh, right). Let's say for a moment that their suggestions are true (yeh, right). All these same people then speculate as to why Dan Rather continued to hang out for twelve days denying what the rest of the world knew to be true, especially those in the world in their pajamas. Who could Dan be covering for, or why would he continue for those twelve days in the manner that he did? Why, in the face of everyone in the world and even those in his circle telling him to face the facts, why did he stonewall and bring the world down on himself?

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“One report describes Robin Rather as an environmentalist and "a likely candidate for Austin Mayor in 2006." Another report states that she lives in the same congressional district as the former Texas lieutenant governor and heavyweight Democratic contributor Ben Barnes. He is the man behind many of the charges about President Bush's service record (CBS 60 Minutes expose). Potential mayoral candidates and campaign contributors tend to meet. Robin Rather and Barnes worked together on Democratic party fundraisers.

Dan Rather refuses to disclose the provenance of the forgeries, and CBS claims that they came from Lt. Col. Jerry Killian's "personal" files, which his widow and son deny. So where did they come from? And why is Dan Rather stonewalling--despite the risk both to himself and to CBS News?

"When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."

Did the documents come from Barnes? If so, how did they make their way to Dan Rather?

44 posted on 01/11/2005 2:59:24 AM PST by beyond the sea (Andrea Mitchell is Barbra Streisand on peyote ......and the north end of a south bound mule.)
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To: beyond the sea

Well if we're going to speculate how about this...

Danny or one of his cohorts whips up a few documents then runs out to find complying "scources" thinking that the usual blood in the water, pile-on, mentality of the MSM will wash any serious scrutiny away.

Wait a minute, are we beginning to sound like those wacko DU conspiracy addicts?


45 posted on 01/11/2005 5:55:41 AM PST by An Old Marine (Freedom isn't Free)
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To: Txsleuth
Is it chutzpah, or suicide?

Could be both.

46 posted on 01/11/2005 5:58:43 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: An Old Marine
Danny or one of his cohorts whips up a few documents then runs out to find complying "sources" thinking that the usual blood in the water, pile-on, mentality of the MSM will wash any serious scrutiny away. ...... Wait a minute, are we beginning to sound like those wacko DU conspiracy addicts?

LOL!

The first part sounds possible, but I would think Mapes may have been involved with whipping them up. After all, remember Mapes was outed by her father who admitted last year that she hated G.W.

The MSM piling on didn't work this time because of FR and a few others.

This whole episode and the internet effect will be huge in history!

47 posted on 01/11/2005 6:09:00 AM PST by beyond the sea (Andrea Mitchell is Barbra Streisand on peyote ......and the north end of a south bound mule.)
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To: beyond the sea

I watched both shows with Chris Matthews last night as well as this morning on Imus. I think his has been possibly the BEST analysis of the CBS-brouHaHa.

He recognizes that this story is the essence of a war going on between the forces of Roger Ailes (Fox) on one side and the MSM (Rather) on the other. Matthews calls this THE big political story of our times...information.

Chris had others on his shows who disagreed and tried to defend Rather. But Chris was unfailingly harsh in his assessments of the original story and he made it clear he thought the panel didn't go far enough.


48 posted on 01/11/2005 6:16:21 AM PST by Timeout (What's the chromosome, Kenneth?!)
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To: beyond the sea

It is humorous to see the other news outlets all ganging up on CBS. What they don't realize is that they too are smeared with the semen stain on their own blue GAP dresses.

This isn't about just CBS. This is an indictment of the MSM as a whole. CBSNBCABCCNNMSNBC... For God's sake, they defended Bill Clinton and turned a blind eye to Juanita Broaddrick!

They just don't get it, There is no credibility.


49 posted on 01/11/2005 6:22:00 AM PST by Hatteras
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To: Timeout
Chris had others on his shows who disagreed and tried to defend Rather. But Chris was unfailingly harsh in his assessments of the original story and he made it clear he thought the panel didn't go far enough.

Yes, I saw him both hours. He WAS unusually even minded. I was pleasantly surprised. It was about time.

'Spitball' Chris almost fell out of his chair when Pat Buchanan called Rather's ploy "The Ted Baxter Defense'! But, Matthews is usually a LIBERAL shill, he'll be back to normal soon.

And that cutie Michelle Malkin should throw a pie in his face some time in the near future.

50 posted on 01/11/2005 6:23:30 AM PST by beyond the sea (Andrea Mitchell is Barbra Streisand on peyote ......and the north end of a south bound mule.)
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To: Txsleuth
"...just like today Rep. Weiner (D) of New York was on Fox and said that it was okay for Bush to have swearing in ceremony on Jan 12, but because of the war and the tsunami, it would be in poor taste and just plain wrong to have the hoopla surrounging the inauguration."

I heard this drivel being spewed by some Hollywood types on one of the entertainment shows the other night. Immediately following the commercial break, the next story was about the $15,000 gift bags that are being handed out to the celebrities attending the People's Choice Awards.

51 posted on 01/11/2005 6:25:52 AM PST by Hatteras
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To: Hatteras

Anyone with a grain of objectivity only has to look at the disparity of treatment the media gave the Swift Vets' vs. their "myopic zeal" to get Bush. There could be no more powerful example of their efforts to influence the election. (Not that there aren't MANY more examples!).

Don Hewitt of 60 Minutes said it best yesterday:
"Does anyone believe this story would not have received
a lot more scrutiny if it had been about John Kerry?".


52 posted on 01/11/2005 6:27:17 AM PST by Timeout (What's the chromosome, Kenneth?!)
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To: Hatteras
Your entire post is RIGHT ON. They're all guilty, and FoxNews isn't too clean either.They never gave Juanita an interview did they? They never came clean on OKC (ask Jana Davis), Flight 800, and everything else. They're almost all the same.

The internet may be a savior, though.... thanks AlGore!

53 posted on 01/11/2005 6:28:09 AM PST by beyond the sea (Andrea Mitchell is Barbra Streisand on peyote ......and the north end of a south bound mule.)
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To: Timeout
Anyone with a grain of objectivity only has to look at the disparity of treatment the media gave the Swift Vets' vs. their "myopic zeal" to get Bush. There could be no more powerful example of their efforts to influence the election. (Not that there aren't MANY more examples!). ---Very, very true.

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Don Hewitt of 60 Minutes said it best yesterday: "Does anyone believe this story would not have received a lot more scrutiny if it had been about John Kerry?". --- Very, very true.

54 posted on 01/11/2005 6:30:45 AM PST by beyond the sea (Andrea Mitchell is Barbra Streisand on peyote ......and the north end of a south bound mule.)
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To: Hatteras

I might be wrong about FoxNews and Juanita. It seems Hannity might have perhaps had her on.


55 posted on 01/11/2005 6:32:28 AM PST by beyond the sea (Andrea Mitchell is Barbra Streisand on peyote ......and the north end of a south bound mule.)
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To: Rennes Templar; Oreo Kookey; okie01
Is spice really the plural form of spouse?

Plural of spouse is bigamy.

56 posted on 01/11/2005 6:36:20 AM PST by savedbygrace ("No Monday morning quarterback has never led a team to victory" GW Bush)
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To: beyond the sea
PMSMBC reminds me of Spaceballs:
Dark Helmet: "How many a$$holes do we have on this ship anyhow?"
Crew: "YO!"
Dark Helmet: "I knew it! I'm surrounded by a$$holes! Keep firing a$$holes!"

57 posted on 01/11/2005 6:45:09 AM PST by TheForceOfOne
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To: beyond the sea

all Media is giving CBS a pass on the consequences of their partisan leftist reporting because all media knows THEY ARE NEXT.


58 posted on 01/11/2005 6:49:18 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: savedbygrace
Plural of spouse is bigamy.

Very good. It sure is.

59 posted on 01/11/2005 11:19:06 PM PST by Oreo Kookey (How, indeed, do we click our tongues at beheadings and look the other way from abortion? I weep.)
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