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Sanctimonious Smoking Nanny
Denver Post ^ | January 10, 2005 | David Harsanyi

Posted on 01/10/2005 10:52:26 AM PST by aynrandy

Hide your smokes and unhealthy contraband. The tyrants of wellbeing are back.

Apparently, the Denver City Council is never too busy to intercede with some good old-fashioned social engineering. And soon enough, smoking in restaurants and bars will be banned.

It's enough to make a holier-than-thou politician - with pristine pink lungs - shriek with delight.

Jeanne Faatz, at this point, is the lone voice of reason on the council. She still believes in trivial things like free enterprise and property rights.

She's sort of an outsider. And although she won't admit it on record, I'm certain the other council members put shaving cream in her shoes, lock her out of meetings and blow spitballs at her.

Don't misunderstand me. Faatz hates smoking. She detests the habit so strongly that she can't stop complaining about it - it causes her to be hoarse and sneeze and makes her stomach coil. She hates being put in this position, protecting smokers.

But Faatz, in contrast to the missionaries of healthful living, appreciates that the ban is not a smoking issue but a matter of freedom.

Faatz loathes sitting next to a smoker in a restaurant. Who doesn't? But she does something extremely peculiar: She gets up, walks out and finds an establishment where she doesn't have to.

"My decision comes from the fact that you have private ownership in business, and they should have the right to target whatever customers they feel the marketplace will give them," she explains. "If, indeed, nobody frequented a smoking establishment, I say, 'Right on, the marketplace has spoken."'

Faatz believes choices and decisions are key in a free society. It's expedient to say, "Yuck, I don't like smoke." But ask yourself this: Do you think government should dictate how a person runs a business? What about customers? Should they be allowed to decide whether they want an all-smoking restaurant or a nonsmoking restaurant?

What if the Denver City Council concluded that cellphones at work should be banned because they have been linked to brain tumors?

Are there justifiable reasons for intervention? Sure. If there is contaminated food or other hidden health issues, government must protect citizens. Full disclosure is imperative. But when the sign in front of a steakhouse reads "smoking allowed," adults should be able to make their own decisions.

Besides, a steady diet of steaks wrapped with bacon is probably apt to kill you a lot faster than secondhand smoke.

We all know what's next. "What about those unfortunate, powerless, coughing employees?" The logical answer given by Faatz is simply that "it is a person's choice where they work." Who is forcing you to work in a smoke-filled diner?

But for the moment, let's advance the argument further: If everyone with a risky job should be protected from all hazards, where would we end up?

You realize the stress a stockbroker goes through? What about the stress a cop experiences? Yes, stress kills far more people than the wildly overstated threat of secondhand smoke. And who can deny the dangers of being a bike messenger, a cabbie or a firefighter?

Smoke Free Denver, another group of sanctimonious nanny types, wants to sabotage freedom for smokers and property owners "to protect the health of Denver residents, workers and visitors from the harmful effects of secondhand smoke."

Well, what about the claims of tens of thousands of deaths due to secondhand smoke?

It's junk science. The University of Chicago's Dr. John Bailar, a critic of the tobacco industry, has produced a detailed analysis in the New England Journal of Medicine debunking the supposed link between secondhand smoke and heart disease. His study is one of many.

But if you don't believe them, there are long lists of smoke-free establishments for you to go to. Enjoy.

David Harsanyi's column appears Monday and Thursday. He can be reached at 303-820-1255 or dharsanyi@denverpost.com.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: addiction; addicts; denver; lowbirthweight; nannystate; propertyrights; pufflist; righttomakeyoustink; smokingban; stench
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To: Gabz

Well, like I say, at least the bastards aren't feeding us a line of BS about it being a second-hand smoke related health issue anymore. Man I hate social engineer types with a passion, though.


21 posted on 01/10/2005 1:39:04 PM PST by -YYZ-
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To: annyokie

GMTA!!!!!!!!

hi sis!!!!


22 posted on 01/10/2005 1:39:30 PM PST by Gabz
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To: monday

I think loud talkers and the obnoxious, oh! and the fashion-challenged should not be allowed in eating and/or drinking establishments. /sarcasm


23 posted on 01/10/2005 1:43:34 PM PST by annyokie (If the shoe fits, put 'em both on!)
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To: exnavychick

You're right!!!

But when it comes down to it, the bans are really not about the rights of the smokers, but rather those of the owners of PRIVATE businesses to choose the clientele they wish to cater to.


24 posted on 01/10/2005 1:44:04 PM PST by Gabz
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To: WildTurkey
when he applies for the LICENSE to operate a restuarant he is agreeing to abide by the local ordinances.

local ordinances have no business requiring any more than full disclosure, e.g., "we allow smoking," "we have cockroaches."

25 posted on 01/10/2005 1:45:08 PM PST by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: WildTurkey; SheLion

You again? Well, you certainly are persistent. :)

Hey, SheLion, is he on the ping list? LOL


26 posted on 01/10/2005 1:46:00 PM PST by exnavychick (There's too much youth; how about a fountain of smart.)
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To: Gabz

Excellent point. I just got carried away there, for a sec. LOL


27 posted on 01/10/2005 1:46:40 PM PST by exnavychick (There's too much youth; how about a fountain of smart.)
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To: Mogger; kt56

I am allergic to some perfumes, aftershaves and hand lotions. Could you please not wear those when in public either? Or if you do, could you please stand outside far away from the door as well?


28 posted on 01/10/2005 1:50:12 PM PST by misharu (I've been here a while . . .you just haven't noticed me.)
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To: Know your rights

Nice to see a person that advocates legalizing crack here.


29 posted on 01/10/2005 1:54:52 PM PST by WildTurkey
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To: aynrandy

Folks, this argument never wins. You must get something new. Actually, smokers need a full makeover. They need to become as polite as cigar and pipe smokers if they want any chance to stop this wave of public smoking bans.


30 posted on 01/10/2005 1:55:00 PM PST by Raycpa (Alias, VRWC_minion,)
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To: annyokie

I vote for nose-pickers, personally. LOL

Now THAT is NASTY!!!


31 posted on 01/10/2005 1:56:04 PM PST by exnavychick (There's too much youth; how about a fountain of smart.)
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To: Gabz

At least the idiots who hang around these threads have shut up about the second hand smoke bs they use to bring in piles.


32 posted on 01/10/2005 1:56:27 PM PST by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: Raycpa
Folks, this argument never wins. You must get something new. Actually, smokers need a full makeover. They need to become as polite as cigar and pipe smokers if they want any chance to stop this wave of public smoking bans.

I remember years ago when there were no "smoking bans". Often, restaurants and other businesses would hang "No pipe or cigar smoking allowed" signs. That was the culture back then. Not because they were polite, but because they were targeted as unacceptable.

33 posted on 01/10/2005 2:02:13 PM PST by WildTurkey
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To: aynrandy

Good. I'll go out to eat more often. Smokers suck.


34 posted on 01/10/2005 2:05:40 PM PST by Wheee The People (Oo ee oo ah ah, ting tang, walla-walla bing bang. Oo ee oo ah ah, ting tang, walla-walla bing bang!)
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To: aynrandy

January 10, 2005



Update from the States: Tobacco Taxes and Smoke-Free Policies in Action

The past few years have produced unprecedented advances in tobacco-control policies, particularly with excise tax increases and the implementation of new clean indoor air laws. The gains that have been made in both of these areas recently have continued in the 2004 state legislative sessions.

Since 2002, 33 states, plus the District of Columbia and Puerto Rico, have increased their excise taxes on tobacco products. The average state tax on a pack of cigarettes is now over 74 cents per pack, nearly twice what it was just a few years ago. The highest tax in the country is in New Jersey, at $2.05 per pack, while nearby New York City has a combined city and state tax of over $3 per pack.

Although there have been fewer increases passed in 2004, some of them have come where they were most needed: in the heart of tobacco country. In February, Virginia increased its tax to 35 cents per pack — low by national standards but much higher than the 2.5 cent per pack tax that had been on the books since 1964. And in May, Alabama increased its tax by 26 cents per pack.

These increases will not only help ease states’ financial woes, but, more importantly, serve as a strong incentive to reduce tobacco consumption. Studies show that for every 10 percent increase in the price of cigarettes, youth smoking goes down by seven percent and overall smoking goes down by three to five percent.

Similar progress has been made in passing comprehensive clean indoor air laws. This July, a new law will go into effect in Idaho banning smoking in most workplaces, including restaurants. Idaho will become the eighth state with a strong statewide law in place. California, Connecticut, Delaware, Maine and New York have banned smoking in all workplaces, including restaurants and bars. Florida and Utah, like Idaho, have strong state laws that exempt bars. These states join hundreds of cities across the country that also ban smoking in most public places.

As with tax increases, recent advances with smoking bans have come in the heart of tobacco country. Although opponents challenged it all the way to the Kentucky Supreme Court, a new law banning smoking in all public places, including restaurants and bars, went into effect in Lexington, Ky., in April. In many ways this is the highest profile smoking ban in any city in a tobacco growing state.

With the combined state and city smoking bans, over 30 percent of the country’s population now live in a jurisdiction covered by a comprehensive clean indoor air law. Exposure to secondhand smoke causes nearly 40,000 deaths per year, almost all of which are ischemic heart disease deaths.

There is now a massive amount of evidence showing that smoke-free laws do not harm business or employment in bars or restaurants, and may actually have a positive influence. The latest such evidence comes from New York City, where a report found that in the one year since the city’s comprehensive smoke-free law took effect business receipts for restaurants and bars have increased, employment has risen, the number of liquor licenses has increased, virtually all establishments are complying with the law, and the vast majority of New Yorkers support the law.

With the positive outcomes from both excise tax increases and smoking bans, one can expect to see a lot more of both in the months and years ahead.


35 posted on 01/10/2005 2:07:05 PM PST by Raycpa (Alias, VRWC_minion,)
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To: Raycpa

http://www.americanheart.org/presenter.jhtml?identifier=3022856


36 posted on 01/10/2005 2:08:10 PM PST by Raycpa (Alias, VRWC_minion,)
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To: WildTurkey
"Uh, when he applies for the LICENSE to operate a restuarant he is agreeing to abide by the local ordinances. "

So you don't even argue that the smoking prohibitionists are fair. It's just that because restaurants have the misfortune of having to obtain licenses in order to operate, the owners lose all property rights.

I suppose since government requires licenses to drive a vehicle, it would be logical for you, if they banned smoking in private vehicles as well?
37 posted on 01/10/2005 2:09:12 PM PST by monday
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To: WildTurkey
Amazing what drivel you have time to post, when you have no time to debate.
38 posted on 01/10/2005 2:11:17 PM PST by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: Judith Anne

I challenged one of them to produce one, just one report from JAMA or the Lancet that showed a correlation to SHS. Dead silence followed said request.


39 posted on 01/10/2005 2:13:03 PM PST by annyokie (If the shoe fits, put 'em both on!)
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To: monday

I was just saying that once you accept that idea that an establishment is to be licensed by the municipality, then you accept that conditions are place on the license by the municipality. I was not arguing the validity of any one restriction, only that it is a better case to be made that one should not have to license a legal activity performed on private property and this argument is never made in any of the "editorials" that are posted. Why?


40 posted on 01/10/2005 2:13:09 PM PST by WildTurkey
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